Never.
Spite is never a good basis for a decision. Although "spite" is not quite the word I'm looking for. The Hebrew word "dafka" is more appropriate but an exact translation is difficult.
Never.
I saw a situation a few years ago in which a junior (playing an adult) tried to claim a draw from an arbiter (rated 2000+) in an endgame.IM Jack Rudd wrote: ↑Sat Nov 17, 2018 3:39 pmThat makes no sense in this situation, or in most other dispute situations. Usually both sides are making a claim that is in their favour.soheil_hooshdaran wrote: ↑Sat Nov 17, 2018 3:29 pmMeans that the one whose claim would be in his favour should be decided against
Here's a link about it -Brian Towers wrote: ↑Sat Nov 17, 2018 4:41 pmNever.
Spite is never a good basis for a decision. Although "spite" is not quite the word I'm looking for. The Hebrew word "dafka" is more appropriate but an exact translation is difficult.
Doing something “davka” can mean willfully, spitefully or deliberately taking an action calculated to antagonize, in which case “on purpose” may fit the translation bill: “He says he didn’t mean to lock me out, but I think he did it davka.”
It can also imply a paradox, something unexpected, whether for the good or the bad...
I believe the relevant FIDE Commission spent a long time on this at their most recent rewrite of the Laws of Chess. In part response to Nakamura's two handed castling in front of four arbiters, they came up with.soheil_hooshdaran wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:53 pmWhat penalty should be given if someone moves with two hands?
4.1
Each move must be played with one hand only.
As regards the clock7.5.4 If a player uses two hands to make a single move (for example in case of castling, capturing or promotion) and pressed the clock, it shall be considered and penalized as if an illegal move.
7.5.5
After the action taken under Article 7.5.1, 7.5.2, 7.5.3 or 7.5.4 for the first completed illegal move by a player, the arbiter shall give two minutes extra time to his opponent; for the second completed illegal move by the same player the arbiter shall declare the game lost by this player. However, the game is drawn if the position is such that the opponent cannot checkmate the player’s king by any possible series of legal moves.
6.2.3 A player must press his clock with the same hand with which he made his move. It is forbidden for a player to keep his finger on the clock or to ‘hover’ over it.
6.2.4 The players must handle the chessclock properly. It is forbidden to press it forcibly, to pick it up, to press the clock before moving or to knock it over. Improper clock handling shall be penalised in accordance with Article 12.9.
Breach of this rule of course does not constitute an illegal move as defined by 7.5.4 (I think?) so again I believe the penalty is at the arbiter's discretion, i.e. 12.9.Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:02 pm
As regards the clock6.2.3 A player must press his clock with the same hand with which he made his move.
a) The current Arbiters Manual is version 2 of September 2018. The difference from the Laws, so far as I can see, is only the paragraphs printed in grey boxes to provide clarification for arbiters. This is advisory material presumably not thought required for players to read, but if necessary the arbiter can show the players the extra text.soheil_hooshdaran wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 3:21 amThanks. I notice that the Laws of chess is different from the Arbiters' manual. Why is the difference?
In what order do the penalties of 12.9 have to be applied?
I note however the comment to 11.7 in the Arbiters Manual as a case where the arbiter may have to declare a game lost by a player but he must warn the player that this penalty will be applied at the next infringement.Clause 12.9 lists penalties available to arbiter (discretionary). Warning or increasing opponent’s time should be enough; c) reduce time of player is rarely done. Declare game lost: use for phones. Adjusting points very unusual. g) Expulsion from event: only if very bad behaviour.
Your statement is not always correct. In practice a player who moves with one hand and presses the clock with the other is likely eventually to get out of sync and press the clock before releasing/removing all pieces moved/captured. He/she will then fall foul of:-Reg Clucas wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:55 pmBreach of this rule of course does not constitute an illegal move as defined by 7.5.4 (I think?) so again I believe the penalty is at the arbiter's discretion, i.e. 12.9.Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:02 pm
As regards the clock6.2.3 A player must press his clock with the same hand with which he made his move.
Yes sir, I think they are different, particularly regarding 6.2Tim Harding wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 2:17 pma) The current Arbiters Manual is version 2 of September 2018. The difference from the Laws, so far as I can see, is only the paragraphs printed in grey boxes to provide clarification for arbiters. This is advisory material presumably not thought required for players to read, but if necessary the arbiter can show the players the extra text.soheil_hooshdaran wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 3:21 amThanks. I notice that the Laws of chess is different from the Arbiters' manual. Why is the difference?
In what order do the penalties of 12.9 have to be applied?
Do you think there is a substantive difference between the documents?
b) The penalties at the discretion of arbiters are listed in increasing order of severity.
At the arbiter seminar I attended last year (conducted by ireland's two IAs) my notes say the following point was made:
I note however the comment to 11.7 in the Arbiters Manual as a case where the arbiter may have to declare a game lost by a player but he must warn the player that this penalty will be applied at the next infringement.Clause 12.9 lists penalties available to arbiter (discretionary). Warning or increasing opponent’s time should be enough; c) reduce time of player is rarely done. Declare game lost: use for phones. Adjusting points very unusual. g) Expulsion from event: only if very bad behaviour.
In the case if pressing the clock with a different hand (I agree it's not an illegal move but is an infringement of the Laws), probably warn once or twice, and if offender persists then give the opponent more time. If he continues to do it, apply 11,7, i.e. warn him that next time he does it he loses the game.
Irregularities are dealt with in Article 7. They include things that a player may do wrong (not necessarily deliberately) but also things like setting the board up wrong or playing with the wrong colour that can arise through carelessness. Irregularities need to be corrected but do not always give rise to warnings or penalties.soheil_hooshdaran wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:26 pmSorry, how does "irregularity" differ from infringement?