Re: Arbitration question
Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 4:57 pm
"The alternative is that the arbiters sit at their desk with their eyes closed."
That has been known...
That has been known...
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No. They have enough advantages already!soheil_hooshdaran wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:30 pmSorry, Should we be more lenient to young players?
Like declaring them lost on the 3rd illegal move?
The FIDE Laws of Chess prohibit this, however it is common in England to vary the number of illegal moves in Rapidplay before a child loses the game. For example, we increase it to 3 in a number of our rapidplay competitions.soheil_hooshdaran wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:30 pmSorry, Should we be more lenient to young players?
Like declaring them lost on the 3rd illegal move?
Only rapid play?Alex Holowczak wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:31 pmThe FIDE Laws of Chess prohibit this, however it is common in England to vary the number of illegal moves in Rapidplay before a child loses the game. For example, we increase it to 3 in a number of our rapidplay competitions.soheil_hooshdaran wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:30 pmSorry, Should we be more lenient to young players?
Like declaring them lost on the 3rd illegal move?
You cannot do this if it is FIDE-rated, but in England, very little U11 chess is FIDE rated.
Yes, and yes.soheil_hooshdaran wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:24 pmOnly rapid play?Alex Holowczak wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:31 pmThe FIDE Laws of Chess prohibit this, however it is common in England to vary the number of illegal moves in Rapidplay before a child loses the game. For example, we increase it to 3 in a number of our rapidplay competitions.soheil_hooshdaran wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:30 pmSorry, Should we be more lenient to young players?
Like declaring them lost on the 3rd illegal move?
You cannot do this if it is FIDE-rated, but in England, very little U11 chess is FIDE rated.
And is it part of ECF ruling?
You have a general duty to enforce the default time, as the note makes clear.soheil_hooshdaran wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:50 pmConsidering
" If the default time is 0, the arbiter has to declare the game lost for the players who are not present at their chessboards."
, isn't the "has to" in conflict with article 6.7.1 which leaves it to the arbiter's discretion?
Default times of zero minutes were a now discarded and discredited initiative. It's now expected that a default time is announced as part of the entry conditions. UK tournaments usually use 30 minutes, whilst the 4NCL retains the traditional hour.David Sedgwick wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:08 pm
You have a general duty to enforce the default time, as the note makes clear.
Or at 6pm for prayers in the Dubai open.Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:28 pm
Clocks are stopped during play if there's a Fire Alarm and players have to leave the playing area. It would be highly unusual for clocks to be stopped for a toilet break although long, long ago, matches would sometimes be suspended for a refreshment break.
That still happened a bit when I started playing proper chess in the 1980s.Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:28 pmIt would be highly unusual for clocks to be stopped for a toilet break although long, long ago, matches would sometimes be suspended for a refreshment break.
In a tournament, I left the hall for my home, and couldn't take a taxi back to the hall.David Sedgwick wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:08 pmYou have a general duty to enforce the default time, as the note makes clear.soheil_hooshdaran wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:50 pmConsidering
" If the default time is 0, the arbiter has to declare the game lost for the players who are not present at their chessboards."
, isn't the "has to" in conflict with article 6.7.1 which leaves it to the arbiter's discretion?
Article 6.7.1 states "unless the arbiter decides otherwise". That is not quite the same as saying that it is left to the arbiter's discretion. You would need clear and compelling reasons to "decide otherwise".
An example where you should do so would be if an official bus broke down on the way to the venue. An example where you should not do so would be if a player had simply missed the bus.