What sort of legal process would you favour ?
I ask this since you declared that you know "a whole lot more" or words to that effect.
What sort of legal process would you favour ?
Earlier today, I entered my next few tournaments. I was struck that they all asked for a date of birth. I don't think that's necessary as both the ECF and FIDE know what it is and for identification, the ECF grading code and FIDE's FIN should suffice. The ECF and FIDE can flag players as Seniors or Veterans without organisers needing to ask for dates of birth for established players.Michael Flatt wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:17 pmThe current system in which individual graders are supplied with individuals' dates of birth held on a Master Grading Database has been identified as an area of concern since it involves widespread sharing of sensitive personal data.
I don't think that most organisers are aware of data protection legislation and, you are correct, in that most players have their Date-of-Birth recorded on the ECF or FIDE database. As Roger has pointed out organisers shouldn't be requesting and storing data that they don't need. Being guilty myself, I'll see if I can modify the St Albans Online Entry form without wrecking it.Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:04 pmEarlier today, I entered my next few tournaments. I was struck that they all asked for a date of birth. I don't think that's necessary as both the ECF and FIDE know what it is and for identification, the ECF grading code and FIDE's FIN should suffice. The ECF and FIDE can flag players as Seniors or Veterans without organisers needing to ask for dates of birth for established players.Michael Flatt wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:17 pmThe current system in which individual graders are supplied with individuals' dates of birth held on a Master Grading Database has been identified as an area of concern since it involves widespread sharing of sensitive personal data.
Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:04 pmEarlier today, I entered my next few tournaments. I was struck that they all asked for a date of birth. I don't think that's necessary as both the ECF and FIDE know what it is and for identification, the ECF grading code and FIDE's FIN should suffice. The ECF and FIDE can flag players as Seniors or Veterans without organisers needing to ask for dates of birth for established players.
The problem is that many players don't know their ECF grading code or their FIN and may leave those boxes blank on an entry form. If you ask for the Date of Birth as well, you can identify the player nevertheless.Michael Flatt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:38 pmI don't think that most organisers are aware of data protection legislation and, you are correct, in that most players have their Date-of-Birth recorded on the ECF or FIDE database. As Roger has pointed out organisers shouldn't be requesting and storing data that they don't need. Being guilty myself, I'll see if I can modify the St Albans Online Entry form without wrecking it.
If you've quoted grading code and FIN there's no need to quote Date of Birth. Unless there's a grader on the control team, tournament organisers shouldn't have access to date of birth, so would have to rely on address, club or quoted grade/rating if identity had to be clarified.David Sedgwick wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:46 amIf you ask for the Date of Birth as well, you can identify the player nevertheless.
A FIDE rating submission file has a mandatory data field for date of birth. If this field is left blank would the file still be processed? If, as I believe is the case, a file with this omission would be rejected, organisers need to know a player's date of birth whether or not they already have a FIN.With online entry and compulsory fields, you can of course solve this. As Michael indicates, you can ask for Dates of Birth only for players who don't have a FIN or don't know what it is.
I believe a date of birth is only required when registering a new player.Gerry_Jepps wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:35 amDavid Sedgewick wrote:
A FIDE rating submission file has a mandatory data field for date of birth. If this field is left blank would the file still be processed? If, as I believe is the case, a file with this omission would be rejected, organisers need to know a player's date of birth whether or not they already have a FIN.
Is it still the case that all rating files can only reach FIDE via the ECF office?Michael Flatt wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:46 amI believe a date of birth is only required when registering a new player.
Yes. The ECF acts as an intermediary between the grader and FIDE. Any grading files I have submitted have always gone through the ECF. Not that I do many.Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:54 amIs it still the case that all rating files can only reach FIDE via the ECF office?Michael Flatt wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:46 amI believe a date of birth is only required when registering a new player.
Yes, that is true. However, the report data file format that FIDE stipulates contains a data field for date of birth. I don't expect the ECF office to fill in the missing data if the date of birth is absent (even if they know it, which they may very well not). So the organiser needs to know the date of birth if the tournament is to be FIDE-rated.The ECF acts as an intermediary between the grader and FIDE.