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Post by soheil_hooshdaran » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:51 pm

hi. about a month ago, in Khazar cup in Northern Iran, an aebiter got suspicious of a pllayer and wanted to investigate he. She refused to take off her shoes (reportedly she was OK with investiging her scarf, etc) and she was removed from the tournament.
What's thhe rule? Can an arbiter appear over your head and investigate you? How should s/he behave in shuch cases?

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Re: law question

Post by Ian Thompson » Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:30 pm

soheil_hooshdaran wrote:
Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:51 pm
hi. about a month ago, in Khazar cup in Northern Iran, an aebiter got suspicious of a pllayer and wanted to investigate he. She refused to take off her shoes (reportedly she was OK with investiging her scarf, etc) and she was removed from the tournament.
What's thhe rule? Can an arbiter appear over your head and investigate you? How should s/he behave in shuch cases?

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FIDE Law 11.3.3 -

"The arbiter may require the player to allow his clothes, bags, other items or body to be inspected, in private. The arbiter or person authorised by the arbiter shall inspect the player, and shall be of the same gender as the player. If a player refuses to cooperate with these obligations, the arbiter shall take measures in accordance with Article 12.9."

Article 12.9 includes expulsion from the tournament.

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Re: law question

Post by Chris Goodall » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:46 am

Mind, examining the soles of an Iranian's shoes is the equivalent of examining a Brit's underwear, am I right?
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Re: law question

Post by soheil_hooshdaran » Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:44 am

Ian Thompson wrote:
Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:30 pm
soheil_hooshdaran wrote:
Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:51 pm
hi. about a month ago, in Khazar cup in Northern Iran, an aebiter got suspicious of a pllayer and wanted to investigate he. She refused to take off her shoes (reportedly she was OK with investiging her scarf, etc) and she was removed from the tournament.
What's thhe rule? Can an arbiter appear over your head and investigate you? How should s/he behave in shuch cases?

Regards
FIDE Law 11.3.3 -

"The arbiter may require the player to allow his clothes, bags, other items or body to be inspected, in private. The arbiter or person authorised by the arbiter shall inspect the player, and shall be of the same gender as the player. If a player refuses to cooperate with these obligations, the arbiter shall take measures in accordance with Article 12.9."

Article 12.9 includes expulsion from the tournament.
This rule was pointed out at the same time that event made a noisanse. but does it mean to ask in private or inspect in private? Does it mean the arbiter has to take measures in accordance with 12.9, like expelling them?

What would make the arbiter suspicious?

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Re: law question

Post by Roger de Coverly » Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:16 am

soheil_hooshdaran wrote:
Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:44 am


This rule was pointed out at the same time that event made a noisanse. but does it mean to ask in private or inspect in private? Does it mean the arbiter has to take measures in accordance with 12.9, like expelling them?

What would make the arbiter suspicious?
In the context of the social norms of those who drafted the rule, it would be in private.

If you found someone playing in a tournament who was tooled up with cheating devices, I don't think you would want them to continue.

Suspicious behaviour might include acting in a strange manner. It might also include consistently playing moves way above known playing strength.

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Re: law question

Post by soheil_hooshdaran » Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:36 am

The thing in she became a WFM after just one year of playing!

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Re: law question

Post by Chris Goodall » Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:41 am

soheil_hooshdaran wrote:
Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:44 am
What would make the arbiter suspicious?
If the player was adjusting her shoe a lot. If when she took her shoe off it stayed connected to her leg by a wire. If she was wearing a hearing aid or other earpiece.
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Re: law question

Post by Roger Lancaster » Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:31 pm

"FIDE Law 11.3.3: The arbiter may require the player to allow his clothes, bags, other items or body to be inspected, in private"

To answer our Iranian friend, the strict rules of English grammar indicate that the existence of a comma after "inspected" means that "in private" relates to either "may require" or "to allow" but not to "to be inspected". However, common sense suggests that that was the intended meaning.

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Re: law question

Post by Chris Goodall » Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:22 pm

Roger Lancaster wrote:
Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:31 pm
"FIDE Law 11.3.3: The arbiter may require the player to allow his clothes, bags, other items or body to be inspected, in private"

To answer our Iranian friend, the strict rules of English grammar indicate that the existence of a comma after "inspected" means that "in private" relates to either "may require" or "to allow" but not to "to be inspected". However, common sense suggests that that was the intended meaning.
English has lots of strict rules. Occasionally, English speakers agree on what they are.
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Re: Law Question

Post by soheil_hooshdaran » Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:02 pm

But this is not spoken English.

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Re: Law Question

Post by Michael Farthing » Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:02 pm

.. but may well not have been written by a native speaker, let alone a native writer, let alone a competent native writer.