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Law Question
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:51 pm
by soheil_hooshdaran
hi. about a month ago, in Khazar cup in Northern Iran, an aebiter got suspicious of a pllayer and wanted to investigate he. She refused to take off her shoes (reportedly she was OK with investiging her scarf, etc) and she was removed from the tournament.
What's thhe rule? Can an arbiter appear over your head and investigate you? How should s/he behave in shuch cases?
Regards
Re: law question
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:30 pm
by Ian Thompson
soheil_hooshdaran wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:51 pm
hi. about a month ago, in Khazar cup in Northern Iran, an aebiter got suspicious of a pllayer and wanted to investigate he. She refused to take off her shoes (reportedly she was OK with investiging her scarf, etc) and she was removed from the tournament.
What's thhe rule? Can an arbiter appear over your head and investigate you? How should s/he behave in shuch cases?
Regards
FIDE Law 11.3.3 -
"The arbiter may require the player to allow his clothes, bags, other items or body to be inspected, in private. The arbiter or person authorised by the arbiter shall inspect the player, and shall be of the same gender as the player. If a player refuses to cooperate with these obligations, the arbiter shall take measures in accordance with Article 12.9."
Article 12.9 includes expulsion from the tournament.
Re: law question
Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:46 am
by Chris Goodall
Mind, examining the soles of an Iranian's shoes is the equivalent of examining a Brit's underwear, am I right?
Re: law question
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:44 am
by soheil_hooshdaran
Ian Thompson wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:30 pm
soheil_hooshdaran wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:51 pm
hi. about a month ago, in Khazar cup in Northern Iran, an aebiter got suspicious of a pllayer and wanted to investigate he. She refused to take off her shoes (reportedly she was OK with investiging her scarf, etc) and she was removed from the tournament.
What's thhe rule? Can an arbiter appear over your head and investigate you? How should s/he behave in shuch cases?
Regards
FIDE Law 11.3.3 -
"The arbiter may require the player to allow his clothes, bags, other items or body to be inspected, in private. The arbiter or person authorised by the arbiter shall inspect the player, and shall be of the same gender as the player. If a player refuses to cooperate with these obligations, the arbiter shall take measures in accordance with Article 12.9."
Article 12.9 includes expulsion from the tournament.
This rule was pointed out at the same time that event made a noisanse. but does it mean to ask in private or inspect in private? Does it mean the arbiter has to take measures in accordance with 12.9, like expelling them?
What would make the arbiter suspicious?
Re: law question
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:16 am
by Roger de Coverly
soheil_hooshdaran wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:44 am
This rule was pointed out at the same time that event made a noisanse. but does it mean to ask in private or inspect in private? Does it mean the arbiter has to take measures in accordance with 12.9, like expelling them?
What would make the arbiter suspicious?
In the context of the social norms of those who drafted the rule, it would be in private.
If you found someone playing in a tournament who was tooled up with cheating devices, I don't think you would want them to continue.
Suspicious behaviour might include acting in a strange manner. It might also include consistently playing moves way above known playing strength.
Re: law question
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:36 am
by soheil_hooshdaran
The thing in she became a WFM after just one year of playing!
Re: law question
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:41 am
by Chris Goodall
soheil_hooshdaran wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:44 am
What would make the arbiter suspicious?
If the player was adjusting her shoe a lot. If when she took her shoe off it stayed connected to her leg by a wire. If she was wearing a hearing aid or other earpiece.
Re: law question
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:31 pm
by Roger Lancaster
"FIDE Law 11.3.3: The arbiter may require the player to allow his clothes, bags, other items or body to be inspected, in private"
To answer our Iranian friend, the strict rules of English grammar indicate that the existence of a comma after "inspected" means that "in private" relates to either "may require" or "to allow" but not to "to be inspected". However, common sense suggests that that was the intended meaning.
Re: law question
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:22 pm
by Chris Goodall
Roger Lancaster wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:31 pm
"FIDE Law 11.3.3: The arbiter may require the player to allow his clothes, bags, other items or body to be inspected, in private"
To answer our Iranian friend, the strict rules of English grammar indicate that the existence of a comma after "inspected" means that "in private" relates to either "may require" or "to allow" but not to "to be inspected". However, common sense suggests that that was the intended meaning.
English has lots of strict rules. Occasionally, English speakers agree on what they are.
Re: Law Question
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:02 pm
by soheil_hooshdaran
But this is not spoken English.
Re: Law Question
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:02 pm
by Michael Farthing
.. but may well not have been written by a native speaker, let alone a native writer, let alone a competent native writer.