Chess Names in Robert Ludlum Novels

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Chess Names in Robert Ludlum Novels

Post by Joshua Gibbs » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:02 pm

hello does anyone have a list or any references to Characters with Chess related names in the work of Robert Ludlum?

I think Morris Panov (Panov Attack)

And Boris Karpov (Anatoly Karpov)

are definite references to chess, and I wonder if anyone knows of any more.
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Re: Chess Names in Robert Ludlum Novels

Post by Nick Grey » Sun Oct 07, 2018 1:05 pm

Joshua this is one area where the films are better than the original books - even then plenty of adaptations by others that ought to read better than Ludlum - very chunky & nicking plots from others.
The give away in that is in the Bourne Identity the assassin is Carlos the Jackal & some of the plot is taking chunks out of the day of the jackal - Frederick Forsyth.
Anyway the character on the Russian side is Spassky/Karpov. Lots of paranoia with US/Soviet chess.

Far better chess names in the original Ian Fleming books as well as chess references.

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Re: Chess Names in Robert Ludlum Novels

Post by JustinHorton » Sun Oct 07, 2018 1:07 pm

There are a lot of chess references in both John Le Carré's work and Len Deighton's.
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Re: Chess Names in Robert Ludlum Novels

Post by Joshua Gibbs » Sun Oct 07, 2018 1:44 pm

Nick Grey wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 1:05 pm
Joshua this is one area where the films are better than the original books - even then plenty of adaptations by others that ought to read better than Ludlum - very chunky & nicking plots from others.
The give away in that is in the Bourne Identity the assassin is Carlos the Jackal & some of the plot is taking chunks out of the day of the jackal - Frederick Forsyth.
Anyway the character on the Russian side is Spassky/Karpov. Lots of paranoia with US/Soviet chess.

Far better chess names in the original Ian Fleming books as well as chess references.

Worth visits to public libraries rather than internet corruptions.
Ive read several of Ludlums works I love them.
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Re: Chess Names in Robert Ludlum Novels

Post by Nick Grey » Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:14 pm

John Le Carré's work and Len Deighton's much better - thanks Justin.

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Re: Chess Names in Robert Ludlum Novels

Post by JustinHorton » Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:46 pm

"Do you play chess?"
"Yes, but I prefer a game with a better chance of cheating."

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Post by David Robertson » Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:27 pm

In this weighty (700 pp) demanding modernist novel, recently published and set among prostitutes in Leipzig, the following exchange takes place (p 344):

"Hi, I'm Mia-Pia. That's 'Mia' as in Farrow; and 'Pia' as in Cramling"

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Re: Chess Names in Robert Ludlum Novels

Post by Nick Grey » Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:57 pm

None of the novelists here.

I recognise Justin's quote from the book. It was probably in the film too.

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Post by JustinHorton » Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:03 pm

Mine's the version from the film, which I prefer to the original one.
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Re: Chess Names in Robert Ludlum Novels

Post by JustinHorton » Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:28 pm

David Robertson wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:27 pm
In this weighty (700 pp) demanding modernist novel, recently published and set among prostitutes in Leipzig, the following exchange takes place (p 344):

"Hi, I'm Mia-Pia. That's 'Mia' as in Farrow; and 'Pia' as in Cramling"

Just saying
More Clemens Meyer chess is to be found in Child's Play and A Trip To The River
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Re: Chess Names in Robert Ludlum Novels

Post by David Robertson » Mon Oct 08, 2018 2:42 pm

And since we're on the subject - well, I am anyway - there's this novel, long-listed for the Booker prize this year. Three parts through the book (a quality read, btw), a mother seeks some rare face time with her son. She decides to talk about chess (as mothers do :roll: ). The conversation turns to a description of a specific game (pp. 167-174).

That game? It was played in 1858 during the first performance of Bellini's Norma. White had two eyes on the performance, and only half an eye on the board. Meanwhile, Black (two aristocrats) sweated over their moves, their consultation disturbing both audience and singers. That game is this. Lovely, as ever!

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Post by Geoff Chandler » Mon Oct 08, 2018 3:56 pm

Hi David,

A while back I bought a copy of...

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Because of it's link to Morphy....What a load of crap. No wonder he played chess.

Hi Justin,

Still not found the book Len Deighton got his chess quotes from in 'Funeral in Berlin'. I have not stopped looking.

Point of interest, if you ever watch 'Funeral in Berlin' I have read it was Michael Caine's performance
as Harry Palmer that had an influence on Columbo. (shabby rain coat and the 'just one more thing' quirk.)

Saw 'Raise the Titanic' a few days ago. Really awful. (they kept the chess bit from the book in.)

The book was very good and to get any idea what's going on in the film you have to have read the book.

The film follows the plot for the first third and then drops it. You get snatches of the main plot appearing later on
in bits and pieces and out of sequence. They miss out whole chunks of the book including a shoot out on the raised Titanic
which at the ends wraps up all the mini plots. A really awful film with more loose ends than a 2nd hand woolly jumper.

Now of course the film (and the book) suffers from historical inaccuracy. They raise a near complete Titanic.
We found out 5 years after the film was released the Titanic broke up into two large pieces.

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Re: Chess Names in Robert Ludlum Novels

Post by JustinHorton » Mon Oct 08, 2018 6:42 pm

Geoff Chandler wrote:
Mon Oct 08, 2018 3:56 pm

Still not found the book Len Deighton got his chess quotes from in 'Funeral in Berlin'. I have not stopped looking.
That's a shame, it's a real mystery and it'll be of genuine interest if it ever gets solved.
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Re: Chess Names in Robert Ludlum Novels

Post by John Clarke » Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:27 pm

David Robertson wrote:
Mon Oct 08, 2018 2:42 pm
White had two eyes on the performance, and only half an eye on the board. Meanwhile, Black (two aristocrats) sweated over their moves, their consultation disturbing both audience and singers.
I read somewhere that the aristos placed the board so that Morphy had his back to the stage, which irritated him intensely and accounted for the severity of the drubbing he gave them.
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Re: Chess Names in Robert Ludlum Novels

Post by Nick Grey » Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:39 pm

Back to 'Funeral in Berlin' the book. The chapter headings contain quotes from the rules of chess. I doubt the dialogue is in the book as it is one-person narrative from a spy.

The film has Justin's quote from Stok then Harry's response

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