Prize Money is Out of Control
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" I doubt if any of the 'top' players have played in many Open events (excepting national championships) in any of the last 5 years."
Isle of Man attracted a few...
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There were also big tournaments in one of the Gulf states around Christmas or New Year. There was a photo of Kramnik picking up his opponent's name card as if to wonder "who are you?".
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Nakamura, Aronian and MVL played in Gibraltar last year, 10 rounds first prize £25,000.
Fair enough. A good event. My main beef is the money the 'Fantastic Four' got in the London Classic
for two games only against the same opponent and then onto the cartoon Mickey Mouse chess.
Gibraltar 2018 was won by Aronian who made more by coming 4th at the London Classic. £32,000.
for playing two drawn games. Nakamura, the London Classic winner picked up £95,000.
(I'll do the maths, that is approx. £13,500 per day including the rest day.)
Caruana is the Open Dodger of the 'Fantastic Four' he will be Invisible Man. I'll leave it up to you to decide who
is 'The Thing', 'The Human Torch' and 'Captain Fantastic'. I'll be their arch enemy. 'Doctor Doom, Gloom and Despair.'
Fair enough. A good event. My main beef is the money the 'Fantastic Four' got in the London Classic
for two games only against the same opponent and then onto the cartoon Mickey Mouse chess.
Gibraltar 2018 was won by Aronian who made more by coming 4th at the London Classic. £32,000.
for playing two drawn games. Nakamura, the London Classic winner picked up £95,000.
(I'll do the maths, that is approx. £13,500 per day including the rest day.)
Caruana is the Open Dodger of the 'Fantastic Four' he will be Invisible Man. I'll leave it up to you to decide who
is 'The Thing', 'The Human Torch' and 'Captain Fantastic'. I'll be their arch enemy. 'Doctor Doom, Gloom and Despair.'
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Well that will probably teach me to post late at night and not read back what I've written. I meant excessive not obsessive. I also take Geoff's hint that perhaps this was not intended as a serious thread. The offer to start such a thread is one I may well take up although we have had similar threads in the past.
In the meantime, and trying to continue in Geoff's spirit, it's worth noting what the `Fantastic Four` - heaving received all this money - also did. They spruced themselves up for the occasion and made an effort to look presentable rather than shuffling in wearing their gardening clothes. It's likely they had to attend a formal dinner at some point; I suspect they didn't just park themselves in the middle of the room and spread out with their own sandwiches. I'm perhaps not comparing like with like but it's worth noting what grass roots players have done to deter sponsors in the past.
In the meantime, and trying to continue in Geoff's spirit, it's worth noting what the `Fantastic Four` - heaving received all this money - also did. They spruced themselves up for the occasion and made an effort to look presentable rather than shuffling in wearing their gardening clothes. It's likely they had to attend a formal dinner at some point; I suspect they didn't just park themselves in the middle of the room and spread out with their own sandwiches. I'm perhaps not comparing like with like but it's worth noting what grass roots players have done to deter sponsors in the past.
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What private sponsors do with their money is none of my business. If you want to change things, get a sponsor on board who will fund the type of event you want to see!
What the ECF does with our money really is our business.
What the ECF does with our money really is our business.
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I'm sure we all feel their pain.Andrew Zigmond wrote: ↑Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:10 pmIt's likely they had to attend a formal dinner at some point
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Geoff Chandler wrote: ↑Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:06 pmNakamura, Aronian and MVL played in Gibraltar last year
Caruana played Wijk Aan Zee, which clashed
Caruana played the Isle of Man Open in 2017; he missed 2018 due to the World Championship matchGeoff Chandler wrote: ↑Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:06 pmCaruana is the Open Dodger of the 'Fantastic Four' he will be Invisible Man.
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Go ahead and note it - what specifically are you thinking of?Andrew Zigmond wrote: ↑Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:10 pmit's worth noting what grass roots players have done to deter sponsors in the past.
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It's more generalisations than specifics but I do think a lot of grassroots organisers and players don't realise the importance of putting on a professional front (and I've said before there is a difference between professionals and professionalism). I'm also being slightly loose with sponsors so that it includes philanthropists and even organisations that are prepared to offer decent venues on generous terms. There are examples of attempts at organising more upmarket events being derailed by players turning up scruffily dressed to events or (quite famously on this forum) kicking up a stink because they couldn't eat their own brought in food.JustinHorton wrote: ↑Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:05 pmGo ahead and note it - what specifically are you thinking of?Andrew Zigmond wrote: ↑Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:10 pmit's worth noting what grass roots players have done to deter sponsors in the past.
Even last year there was an example (on this forum) of a player being denied a refund on an entry fee at an elite event saying they were going to take their demand to the sponsor. The more hassle a sponsor receives, the more likely they are to take their money elsewhere. The bottom line is that for professional people there is nothing more irritating than sloppy amateurism.
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Oh, I am sure there are things far more irritating than that. It is part of being professional that you should be able to deal with a certain level of things that irritate you.Andrew Zigmond wrote: ↑Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:36 pmThe bottom line is that for professional people there is nothing more irritating than sloppy amateurism.
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Or perhaps the problem is best looked at the other way. I'm a sponsor; let's assume I'm a local business keen to support the local community. I don't know much about how chess is actually organised but I used to play at school and I always enjoyed it. All I want in return for my cash is a little bit of PR for my company. So what I can do for you?`
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Then I'll take it that the problems you're noting may be more imaginary than real.Andrew Zigmond wrote: ↑Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:36 pmIt's more generalisations than specificsJustinHorton wrote: ↑Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:05 pmGo ahead and note it - what specifically are you thinking of?Andrew Zigmond wrote: ↑Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:10 pmit's worth noting what grass roots players have done to deter sponsors in the past.
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You can see the prize allocations for the World Rapid and Blitz here: http://www.fide.com/component/content/a ... tions.html
If I've added them up correctly, 72 players won more than $1,000; which is probably close to the break even point. It's good that the prizes go down so far at this event, it's quite rare, but very welcome.
If I've added them up correctly, 72 players won more than $1,000; which is probably close to the break even point. It's good that the prizes go down so far at this event, it's quite rare, but very welcome.
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There was a rumour a few years back that one of the country's biggest congresses might lose its hotel venue. Another example, albeit going back ten years ago now, was the Chess For Schools fiasco. That appears have to have been a disaster in just about every direction but a big factor appears have been amateurism at the ECF at the time. The very real number of individuals with professional backgrounds who have tried to get involved with English chess and ended up throwing their hands up in despair should tell us something as well.JustinHorton wrote: ↑Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:34 pmThen I'll take it that the problems you're noting may be more imaginary than real.Andrew Zigmond wrote: ↑Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:36 pmIt's more generalisations than specificsJustinHorton wrote: ↑Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:05 pm
Go ahead and note it - what specifically are you thinking of?
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The biggest factor was the inability of the sponsor to supply the promised sets. If the ECF was amateur, it was not being prepared to say "Thanks, but no thanks" until it had expended quite a lot of money, time and volunteer resources on the project.Andrew Zigmond wrote: ↑Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:44 pmbut a big factor appears have been amateurism at the ECF at the time.