Membership Renewal

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Roger de Coverly
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Re: Membership Renewal

Post by Roger de Coverly » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:33 pm

Tim Spanton wrote:
Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:04 pm
- I thought much of the Olympiad expense was paid by sponsors for that purpose entirely. If that is correct, the money will simply not come into chess: painful for the players concerned but not for the ECF.
Whether that's correct or not seems to depend on the context of whether the International Director is seeking re-election or funds to finance international teams.

Nick Grey
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Re: Membership Renewal

Post by Nick Grey » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:21 pm

I assume that those in the Olympiad are paid up members.

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Re: Membership Renewal

Post by Reg Clucas » Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:07 pm

Paul Robert Jackson wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:02 pm
Anybody have any updates on the numbers who are renewing their memberships?
Well, those of us with access to the organisers' area do, but I'm not sure we should publish it here. No doubt the ECF will do so when they feel it is appropriate.

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Re: Membership Renewal

Post by Nick Grey » Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:30 pm

Well, those of us with access to the organisers' area do, but I'm not sure we should publish it here. No doubt the ECF will do so when they feel it is appropriate.

After a Director appointment so April 2021?

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Re: Membership Renewal

Post by Paul Robert Jackson » Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:43 am

Reg Clucas wrote:
Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:07 pm
Paul Robert Jackson wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:02 pm
Anybody have any updates on the numbers who are renewing their memberships?
Well, those of us with access to the organisers' area do, but I'm not sure we should publish it here. No doubt the ECF will do so when they feel it is appropriate.
From the ECF's own email:
*The ECF needs a minimum level of funding to remain viable so that we can provide support to chess activities when life begins to return to normal."

Without enough members, the minimum level of funding will not be achieved for the ECF to remain financially viable.
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Re: Membership Renewal

Post by Tim Spanton » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:09 am

Paul Robert Jackson wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:43 am
Reg Clucas wrote:
Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:07 pm
Paul Robert Jackson wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:02 pm
Anybody have any updates on the numbers who are renewing their memberships?
Well, those of us with access to the organisers' area do, but I'm not sure we should publish it here. No doubt the ECF will do so when they feel it is appropriate.
From the ECF's own email:
*The ECF needs a minimum level of funding to remain viable so that we can provide support to chess activities when life begins to return to normal."

Without enough members, the minimum level of funding will not be achieved for the ECF to remain financially viable.
Every organisation "needs a minimum level of funding to remain viable." The question is, what is the ECF's minimum: £1? £100,000? Something in-between?

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Re: Membership Renewal

Post by Paul Robert Jackson » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:26 am

Tim Spanton wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:09 am
Paul Robert Jackson wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:43 am
Reg Clucas wrote:
Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:07 pm

Well, those of us with access to the organisers' area do, but I'm not sure we should publish it here. No doubt the ECF will do so when they feel it is appropriate.
From the ECF's own email:
*The ECF needs a minimum level of funding to remain viable so that we can provide support to chess activities when life begins to return to normal."

Without enough members, the minimum level of funding will not be achieved for the ECF to remain financially viable.
Every organisation "needs a minimum level of funding to remain viable." The question is, what is the ECF's minimum: £1? £100,000? Something in-between?
I think its normal budget is closer to £160,000.
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Re: Membership Renewal

Post by Tim Spanton » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:28 am

Paul Robert Jackson wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:26 am
Tim Spanton wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:09 am
Paul Robert Jackson wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:43 am


From the ECF's own email:
*The ECF needs a minimum level of funding to remain viable so that we can provide support to chess activities when life begins to return to normal."

Without enough members, the minimum level of funding will not be achieved for the ECF to remain financially viable.
Every organisation "needs a minimum level of funding to remain viable." The question is, what is the ECF's minimum: £1? £100,000? Something in-between?
I think its normal budget is closer to £160,000.
Well, I've paid £39 of that for 2020-21

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Re: Membership Renewal

Post by Paul Robert Jackson » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:33 am

Tim Spanton wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:28 am
Paul Robert Jackson wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:26 am
Tim Spanton wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:09 am

Every organisation "needs a minimum level of funding to remain viable." The question is, what is the ECF's minimum: £1? £100,000? Something in-between?
I think its normal budget is closer to £160,000.
Well, I've paid £39 of that for 2020-21
Current Gold Member as well
.....just being optimistic that the ECF would share some up to date information with its members.
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Re: Membership Renewal

Post by Tim Spanton » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:39 am

Paul Robert Jackson wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:33 am
Tim Spanton wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:28 am
Paul Robert Jackson wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:26 am


I think its normal budget is closer to £160,000.
Well, I've paid £39 of that for 2020-21
Current Gold Member as well
.....just being optimistic that the ECF would share some up to date information with its members.
There is no need to be sarcastic ...

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Re: Membership Renewal

Post by Phil Neatherway » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:46 am

Joey Stewart wrote:
I cant imagine the uptake is going to be huge, outside of those that are feeling altruistic and want to help support the ECF it feels like a massive waste of money paying full price for a membership that is going to last half a season at the very best.
I see the point being made, however I think using the word "massive" is somewhat overegging the pudding.

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Re: Membership Renewal

Post by Paul Robert Jackson » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:48 am

Tim Spanton wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:39 am
Paul Robert Jackson wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:33 am
Tim Spanton wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:28 am


Well, I've paid £39 of that for 2020-21
Current Gold Member as well
.....just being optimistic that the ECF would share some up to date information with its members.
There is no need to be sarcastic ...
Sarcasm not intended.
I just have this feeling that no chess OTB at club level, has the potential to result in there eventually being no ECF.
Paul Robert Jackson

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Re: Membership Renewal

Post by Tim Spanton » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:52 am

Paul Robert Jackson wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:48 am
Tim Spanton wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:39 am
Paul Robert Jackson wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:33 am


Current Gold Member as well
.....just being optimistic that the ECF would share some up to date information with its members.
There is no need to be sarcastic ...
Sarcasm not intended.
I just have this feeling that no chess OTB at club level, has the potential to result in there eventually being no ECF.
No OTB chess would certainly seem to remove much of the need for an ECF, so perhaps we will see initiatives from the ECF to get OTB chess moving again

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Re: Membership Renewal

Post by Roger de Coverly » Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:18 pm

Tim Spanton wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:52 am
so perhaps we will see initiatives from the ECF to get OTB chess moving again
The impression so far is that it has focused on supposed risks without giving thought as to which restrictions are mostly cosmetic and how to get round them.

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Re: Membership Renewal

Post by Andrew Zigmond » Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:40 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:18 pm
Tim Spanton wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:52 am
so perhaps we will see initiatives from the ECF to get OTB chess moving again
The impression so far is that it has focused on supposed risks without giving thought as to which restrictions are mostly cosmetic and how to get round them.
It surely wouldn't be a good look for a national body (and one that less than a decade ago received funding from public funds) to be encouraging people to get around the law. All it would take is for a local organiser to either misunderstand what the ECF was saying or wilfully misinterpret it and then when challenged say, `The ECF told me I could do this,` and suddenly the ECF has to defend itself.
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