Membership Renewal

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Paul Robert Jackson
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Re: Membership Renewal

Post by Paul Robert Jackson » Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:13 am

If everyone waits long enough, the ECF will run out of money
This is a serious point.
Not only for the ECF, but also for chess clubs, who may have a reduced membership, or even worse, no venue.
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Re: Membership Renewal

Post by MartinCarpenter » Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:41 am

I'd fully reccommend, if personally financially viable right now of course, joining as per usual.

Still - how many outgoings does a normal chess club have right now? The ECF has some, I don't think a club will.

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Re: Membership Renewal

Post by Mick Norris » Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:06 am

MartinCarpenter wrote:
Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:41 am
I'd fully reccommend, if personally financially viable right now of course, joining as per usual.

Still - how many outgoings does a normal chess club have right now? The ECF has some, I don't think a club will.
I'm not sure we are a normal chess club, but Bury would normally have paid recently for Trophies & Engraving before our AGM, so that's deferred, not expunged, and we'd be paying the Summer League entry fee, so that's saved us £8 :lol:

We'd then have the Winter League fees, which may not apply but are low, and the web domain fee, which will

Our second largest expenditure is the ECF fees, as we make sure all our members are ECF members, so we'd still have that as a possible/probable

The highest expedniture is the fees we pay each year to be members of the Sports club where we play (in lieu of venue fees, I guess); if we don't have a venue, we can't play; they would be due towards the end of 2020

Expenditure will vary a lot from club to club I guess
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Re: Membership Renewal

Post by John Reyes » Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:18 pm

I have presented the Proposes to the ECF to be sent out on Friday as the ECF Agenda will be out this week
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Re: Membership Renewal

Post by Phil Neatherway » Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:16 pm

I'll be renewing as usual too.
No doubt, there are many players who are finding lockdown financially difficult, but I hope as many as possible will renew promptly.
Equally, many charitable organisations will be in big financial trouble.
I am a member of the national trust, Ashmolean Museum, and the Richard III society to name a few, and my intention is to keep all thse memberships going.

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Re: Membership Renewal

Post by Paul Robert Jackson » Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:14 pm

I will presume the ECF's staff will come off furlough towards the end of the year, & will need to be paid.
& I also make the presumption that most of that money comes from membership fees.

Club finances will be all different, but my main concern is that the venues they use
....church halls
....social clubs
....sports clubs
....village halls
....schools & school halls
....function rooms in public houses
just to name a few,
will not be available, or operate with a limited capacity.
This could result in no league chess being played this year, or even for the whole of next season.
Making (as has been suggested by other members) membership 2020 -2021 a charitable donation.

Venues for congresses will have the same problems with limited capacity.
eg:
Hotels used by larger congresses such as Blackpool, Hull & the 4NCL Congresses.
Frodsham Congress which uses its local community centre.
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Re: Membership Renewal

Post by MartinCarpenter » Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:06 pm

League/congress chess is a write off for the duration anyway. The trick is going to be make sure there's something to come back to.

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Re: Membership Renewal

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:51 pm

Pubs were closing at a spectacular rate anyway, so that could be a problem for clubs. If the bigger pub-owning companies get a sniff of compensation, they will be closing down loads of pubs and selling them for redevelopment immediately.

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Re: Membership Renewal

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:33 pm

Pubs are going to be allowed to reopen from 4th July, and with a de facto "one metre" rule at least some OTB chess might be possible?
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Re: Membership Renewal

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:42 pm

"Pubs are going to be allowed to reopen from 4th July, and with a de facto "one metre" rule at least some OTB chess might be possible?"

It would be nice - perhaps Novak Djokovic will donate a trophy?

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Re: Membership Renewal

Post by Roger de Coverly » Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:46 pm

Matt Mackenzie wrote:
Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:33 pm
Pubs are going to be allowed to reopen from 4th July, and with a de facto "one metre" rule at least some OTB chess might be possible?
Casual chess perhaps. I don't think indoor "meetings" will be allowed.

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Re: Membership Renewal

Post by NickFaulks » Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:57 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:46 pm
I don't think indoor "meetings" will be allowed.
Nor do I, but I'm not sure why not.
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Re: Membership Renewal

Post by NickFaulks » Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:27 pm

Ah, club cricket is banned because the ball is a "natural vector of disease". Perhaps so are pawns.
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Re: Membership Renewal

Post by Paul Robert Jackson » Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:16 pm

League/congress chess is a write off for the duration anyway. The trick is going to be make sure there's something to come back to.
Hopefully we will have something to come back to
....but I expect the English / British chess scene will have to reinvent itself.
& what this will look like I have no idea
....as surely we cannot live our lives permanently online?
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Re: Membership Renewal

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:10 pm

Of course what some of us still think of as "real" chess will return. Its just a question of when and how.
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