Nominations 2021

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Re: Nominations 2021

Post by John Upham » Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:45 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
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There would seem evidence of a Pein camp v Truran camp battle in the Director of Women's Chess post.
What is that evidence?
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Re: Nominations 2021

Post by Michael Farthing » Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:47 pm

I respect your views David and treat them seriously. In this case we came to different conclusions. I hope we can simply agree on that and move on.

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Re: Nominations 2021

Post by Roger de Coverly » Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:49 pm

John Upham wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:45 pm
What is that evidence?
Look at the list of those nominating.

If relevant, both Fenella and Mike Truran have been members of the same 4NCL squad (Brown Jack) in the past.
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Re: Nominations 2021

Post by LawrenceCooper » Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:50 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:49 pm
John Upham wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:45 pm
What is that evidence?
Look at the list of those nominating.

If relevant, both Fiona and Mike Truran have been members of the same 4NCL squad (Brown Jack) in the past.
Fenella?

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Re: Nominations 2021

Post by Jonathan Bryant » Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:52 pm

David Sedgwick wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:42 pm

I do not in any way doubt your integrity and good faith, but I still believe that you took the wrong course of action.

I hope that Council will have the opportunity before the next Annual General Meeting to decide whether it wishes to make prompt publication a requirement.
I agree with David on both counts

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Re: Nominations 2021

Post by David Sedgwick » Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:02 pm

Michael Farthing wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:47 pm
I respect your views David and treat them seriously. In this case we came to different conclusions. I hope we can simply agree on that and move on.
Thank you Michael. I concur with your second sentence and I have no intention of making any further public comment on the matter until after 16th October.

By the time of the April 2022 Finance Council Meeting, I hope that it will be possible to have a discussion of the general issue against a less fraught background.

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Re: Nominations 2021

Post by Andrew Zigmond » Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:04 pm

Michael Farthing wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:47 pm
I respect your views David and treat them seriously. In this case we came to different conclusions. I hope we can simply agree on that and move on.
It was originally suggested that the nominations would not be published until 22nd September. It now seems that it was more a case of a slight delay (five days as it happened) so that two candidates could potentially settle their differences. It may come down to the difference between "on" and "by" but it does seem that the message could perhaps have been clearer.

My concern was that it left a vacuum where some people were more in the "know" than others, meaning that some manoeuvring behind the scenes has taken place while other people were in the dark. I'm pleased that the discussion around the elections can now begin in earnest.
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Re: Nominations 2021

Post by David Sedgwick » Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:04 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:49 pm
If relevant, both Fenella and Mike Truran have been members of the same 4NCL squad (Brown Jack) in the past.
By the same logic, Nigel Towers must be supporting Malcolm Pein, as Nigel has played for CSC in the 4NCL Online.

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Re: Nominations 2021

Post by JustinHorton » Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:07 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:24 pm
That would also explain how the retiring Director of Women's Chess nominated himself to stand as Chairman of Governance
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Andrew Zigmond wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:04 pm
My concern was that it left a vacuum where some people were more in the "know" than others
This is almost inevitably the case when information is withheld from the wider membership: you get a kind of inner circle who are privy to what's going on and an outer circle who are not, and it's not healthy.
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Re: Nominations 2021

Post by Mick Norris » Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:13 pm

David Sedgwick wrote:
Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:45 pm
Mick Norris wrote:
Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:59 pm
I have been told that the information is in the public domain
Where?
At last night's MCF Council meeting, that's what we were told by Julian; he didn't say these are the Candidates, so we can discuss who to vote for, he said they were in the public domain

The MCF agreed to vote for Mike Truran, Robert Stern and Fenella Headlong (we didn't discuss the other candidates, so none of the above wasn't mentioned)
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Re: Nominations 2021

Post by Alex McFarlane » Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:31 pm

Andrew Zigmond wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:04 pm
My concern was that it left a vacuum where some people were more in the "know" than others, meaning that some manoeuvring behind the scenes has taken place while other people were in the dark
That is a concern but, in my view, not the main one.
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Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:30 pm
The reason for the delay from last Thursday is that I judged it to be in the best long term interest of the ECF as there were active discussions taking place at reconciliation between two candidates with different outlooks on how the organisation should move forward.
What does this mean? Surely the point of the election is to decide between candidates with different outlooks!! I find it worrying that the reason for not informing the membership was that there was a possibility of a 'deal' being done which would prevent them from having a meaningful election.

Provided the contest does not deteriorate into a mud slinging fiasco this is what democracy means.

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Re: Nominations 2021

Post by Roger de Coverly » Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:42 pm

Alex McFarlane wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:31 pm
I find it worrying that the reason for not informing the membership was that there was a possibility of a 'deal' being done which would prevent them from having a meaningful election.
The membership in the sense of the minority with votes seemingly knew who the candidates were. Those endorsing a candidate with nominations certainly did.

Could I also say that I really don't think the member's direct representatives should be part of a list nominating candidates? Certainly without some degree of soundings as to what their constituency thinks. Only Joe Reyes out of the Gold, Silver or Bronze representatives has declined to express a preference by virtue of making a nomination.

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Re: Nominations 2021

Post by Chris Goodall » Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:13 pm

Interesting to see Durham CCA nominating Malcolm and Aga. In that I'm the Grading Officer for Durham CCA and have never been asked to vote on, or discuss, said nominations :shock:
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Re: Nominations 2021

Post by Andrew Zigmond » Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:21 pm

Another important question that needs to be asked is what happens to International if Malcolm wins. I'm assuming he has a likely candidate in mind to be appointed pending the next election for that post (which I think is next year) in which case it should be made public.
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Re: Nominations 2021

Post by Roger de Coverly » Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:25 pm

Chris Goodall wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:13 pm
In that I'm the Grading Officer for Durham CCA and have never been asked to vote on, or discuss, said nominations
You would probably find that such decisions have been devolved explicitly or implicitly to whoever represents the county association at ECF Council meetings.

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