Nominations 2021

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Re: Nominations 2021

Post by Nick Ivell » Mon Aug 23, 2021 6:06 pm

'Well placed advice' is piffle. Truly meaningless.

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Re: Nominations 2021

Post by Alan Kennedy » Mon Aug 23, 2021 6:13 pm

Nick Ivell wrote:
Mon Aug 23, 2021 6:06 pm
'Well placed advice' is piffle. Truly meaningless.
I am sure he meant well.

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Re: Nominations 2021

Post by John Swain » Tue Aug 24, 2021 1:33 pm

The minutes of the Board meeting on Friday 30 July 2021 have been published:

https://www.englishchess.org.uk/wp-cont ... -v2.01.pdf

Given what has been said up-thread, it's obvious what was the subject of redacted item 3. Indeed, it's mentioned in item 2 (Agenda):

"The Agenda was approved with the addition of an item on the conduct of ECF officials and board members."

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Re: Nominations 2021

Post by Andrew Zigmond » Tue Aug 24, 2021 2:04 pm

One point does need highlighting; Mike Truran is given as APOLOGIES (my capitols) for this particular meeting.

We have been told upthread that "45 minutes of a scheduled 2 hour meeting" were spent "discussing Mike Truran's behaviour". The minutes also suggest that this item was added to the agenda at short notice.

So is it the case that the behaviour of an individual was apparently discussed at a meeting where they were not present to defend themselves?
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Re: Nominations 2021

Post by JustinHorton » Tue Aug 24, 2021 2:06 pm

So let me see if I understand this.

This was an item added to the agenda, yes? Was it done so when it was known Mike Truran would not be attending?

And it was redacted, because confidential, yes? In which case what is a Board member doing discussing it openly?
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Re: Nominations 2021

Post by Nick Ivell » Tue Aug 24, 2021 2:09 pm

Thanks for uploading, John.

No doubt the redacted bits were the most interesting!

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Re: Nominations 2021

Post by Joseph Conlon » Tue Aug 24, 2021 5:35 pm

Prima facie this does not look very good. The ECF is not a charity, but in the analogous context of charity governance, amending the agenda at short notice to include an item of this nature would not be professional, especially if it focuses on someone who has already given apologies. If it is not an emergency, the item can be submitted in time for the agenda. Major stuff shouldn’t appear last-minute.

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Re: Nominations 2021

Post by Nick Burrows » Tue Aug 24, 2021 6:05 pm

It's as if a campaign is being built against him.

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Re: Nominations 2021

Post by John Upham » Tue Aug 24, 2021 6:15 pm

Do we know who has the responsibility of redacting content from the Minutes / Agenda?
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Re: Nominations 2021

Post by Alex McFarlane » Tue Aug 24, 2021 6:26 pm

The relevant item was added as point 3 on the agenda.

I would have thought that anything added to the agenda would have been added at the end, usually under Any Other Business.

I could be totally wrong, but my guess would be that the matter was raised by someone who could not stay to the end of the meeting. Is it possible to know who was still in attendance at the end of the meeting?

As an aside, I feel that minutes should indicate late arrivals and early departures.

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Re: Nominations 2021

Post by Roger de Coverly » Tue Aug 24, 2021 7:29 pm

John Upham wrote:
Tue Aug 24, 2021 6:15 pm
Do we know who has the responsibility of redacting content from the Minutes / Agenda?
The Minutes note the presence of Meetings Secretary, Danny Rosenbaum . Presumably he would draft the Minutes. Do all the Board have to agree to their publication, if not who authorises them for publication?

It seems often done at the start of the next meeting as noted in the Minutes to 145.
4. Minutes of 144th Board Meeting
The minutes of the 144th Board were agreed with one vote against.
However given that the Minutes to the 145th meeting also state
Next Board Meeting: Friday 24th September 2021 Virtual at 2.30 p.m.
Steps must have been taken to accelerate the approval of the 145 Minutes.

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Re: Nominations 2021

Post by Mike Gunn » Wed Aug 25, 2021 10:05 am

During my time on the ECF board (2010-13) both the full and redacted minutes were agreed at the next board meeting. Of course this can/ could be done by email votes/ agreement between board meetings.

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Re: Nominations 2021

Post by John Upham » Wed Aug 25, 2021 12:31 pm

Mike Gunn wrote:
Wed Aug 25, 2021 10:05 am
During my time on the ECF board (2010-13) both the full and redacted minutes were agreed at the next board meeting. Of course this can/ could be done by email votes/ agreement between board meetings.
Mike,

Were there strict guidelines on what items should be redacted?

Who on the board / committee made the redaction decisions?
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Re: Nominations 2021

Post by Mike Gunn » Wed Aug 25, 2021 4:35 pm

John Upham wrote:
Wed Aug 25, 2021 12:31 pm
Mike Gunn wrote:
Wed Aug 25, 2021 10:05 am
During my time on the ECF board (2010-13) both the full and redacted minutes were agreed at the next board meeting. Of course this can/ could be done by email votes/ agreement between board meetings.
Mike,

Were there strict guidelines on what items should be redacted?

Who on the board / committee made the redaction decisions?
1. There are no guidelines on redactions.

2. Draft minutes are produced by the minute taker.

3. Amendments proposed by any board member and then voted on (if not agreed) by the whole board.

4. Same process as 3. For deciding redactions.

5. Minutes could go through preliminary filter of chairman and/or CEO before going to the board (This is what used to happen.)

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Re: Nominations 2021

Post by John Reyes » Mon Sep 06, 2021 11:35 am

Today is D-Day for nominations

who will challenge the Chief Exc?
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