Putting the Record Straight: Answering John Reyes and Mike Truran

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Re: Putting the Record Straight: Answering John Reyes and Mike Truran

Post by John Reyes » Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:07 pm

Mick Norris wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:11 pm
John Upham wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 3:14 pm
BCN invited Malcolm Pein to Put the Record Straight following various posts in this place:


https://britishchessnews.com/2021/09/21 ... ke-truran/
Malcolm attributes to John a post that I made :roll:
Was it this quote that you mention on the forum on page 7 on Sunday 19th at 5:58pm on the Chief executive page

(I have message Malcolm to let him know and hope to get a apology from him about this comment and retract it from his statement)

As for his:

“Malcolm wants to transfer circa £200K into the ECF from the BCF/PIF according to his Election Address, how much of that would be needlessly lost to tax?”

Obviously I have considered this. I will shortly publish a road map of how these assets can be deployed to the benefit of the ECF while minimising any tax liability. We are fortunate to have an ECF NED who is a tax lawyer and I have been consulting him on this matter.
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Post by NickFaulks » Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:16 pm

John Reyes wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:07 pm
Silver Members really deserve better representation.
That is true, but at least we are better off than Gold and Bronze, who have none at all.
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Post by John Upham » Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:35 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:16 pm
John Reyes wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:07 pm
Silver Members really deserve better representation.
That is true, but at least we are better off than Gold and Bronze, who have none at all.
I was under the impression that the former were represented by Rob Willmoth Email; Lorin D’Costa Email

and the latter by

Aga Milewska Email; Chris Skulte Email

Please correct me as usual.
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Re: Putting the Record Straight: Answering John Reyes and Mike Truran

Post by Chris Goodall » Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:10 am

John Reyes wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:07 pm
“Malcolm wants to transfer circa £200K into the ECF from the BCF/PIF according to his Election Address, how much of that would be needlessly lost to tax?”

Obviously I have considered this. I will shortly publish a road map of how these assets can be deployed to the benefit of the ECF while minimising any tax liability. We are fortunate to have an ECF NED who is a tax lawyer and I have been consulting him on this matter.
Silver Members really deserve better representation.
Regardless of who asked the question, Malcolm didn't answer it. The question was "how much". It goes without saying that Malcolm will do it in the way that loses the minimum amount possible. What that minimum amount will be, is still an open question. You would not be a bad Silver rep to have asked it.

(Also, I checked the rules, and if you're not a newspaper and you use [sic] three times on a single quote by a non-native English speaker, you're a wanker.)
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Re: Putting the Record Straight: Answering John Reyes and Mike Truran

Post by Roger de Coverly » Wed Sep 22, 2021 1:37 am

John Upham wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:35 pm
I was under the impression that the former were represented by Rob Willmoth Lorin D’Costa and the latter by

Aga Milewska Chris Skulte
The point being made is that by nominating a challenger to the existing CEO, particularly a member of the current board, the representatives are expressing a view that the current CEO be replaced. If there were direct elections for ECF Directors, it wouldn't matter, but there aren't. So what consultation or justification of views has been put forward? The other Silver rep has, as we know, put a lengthy diatribe on the chess.com site. Their views may even be justified but are not seemingly shared by those voting in the forum poll and may not be shared by those they supposedly represent.

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Post by Paul Cooksey » Wed Sep 22, 2021 7:01 am

Chris Goodall wrote:
Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:10 am
Regardless of who asked the question, Malcolm didn't answer it.
I was not unhappy with that answer. Generally I thought:
Q1 - governance of spending.
Good answer, that Chess Trust and ECF have different controls. I agree a decision to make on which is best rather than an obvious answer
Q2 - spending and tax
OK answer. The commitment to the detail later is fine for me, so long as I don't have to try to understand it on the train to the AGM
Q3 - CSC and governance.
Disappointing answer. Leaving aside he misrepresents Mike's point slightly, dismissing the situation as similar to the 4NCL in the past seems inadequate to me. The situation with employees seems different. The situation bothers me less than it would if one of Malcolm's employees was CEO, since at least he would be the boss in both organisations. But still I think it deserves a serious answer
Q4 - Will Malcolm serve a full term.
OK answer I suppose. I think obviously as "fact check" saying "this is not true, and the only reason someone could think it is I suggested it myself recently" is a bit of a stretch. But it does now seem an unambiguous commitment to do the job himself. I would have like to see some reassurance about how much time he could devote to the role, but I suppose that is a separate question.

I don't share Roger's concern BCN should have offered Mike right to reply. I'd be a bit surprised if anyone was reading the BCN article without reading this forum, and we have a long tradition of people commenting on our discussions from separate sites. I judge them all for wanting to make their own points without entering any debate. But it isn't new and I imagine Mike could comment on lots of sites if he wants.

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Post by JustinHorton » Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:59 am

On the other hand what would be the harm
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Post by Paul Cooksey » Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:23 am

Just to be clear Justin, you are asking if Mike has any reason not to want to post his comments on a site where Tim Wall is a moderator?

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Post by John Upham » Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:26 am

Paul Cooksey wrote:
Wed Sep 22, 2021 7:01 am
I don't share Roger's concern BCN should have offered Mike right to reply.
Since MCT has been offered the right to reply Roger and yourself may allay your concerns.

Thanks for asking if that was the case.


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Re: Putting the Record Straight: Answering John Reyes and Mike Truran

Post by John Upham » Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:34 am

Paul Cooksey wrote:
Wed Sep 22, 2021 7:01 am
I'd be a bit surprised if anyone was reading the BCN article without reading this forum,
The article was first shared on Facebook and then Twitter and resulted in more than 300 different IP addresses reading it.

It was then shared on the Forum which didn't add a great deal more, maybe another 20 or so.

Surprise Surprise! as Cilla Black might have exclaimed.

It is annoying when nasty old facts get in the way of a good opinion.
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Post by Paul Cooksey » Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:36 am

300? I imagine Carl is considering packing the whole thing in!

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Post by John Upham » Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:38 am

Paul Cooksey wrote:
Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:36 am
300? I imagine Carl is considering packing the whole thing in!
That would delight the ECF so lets have a poll on that subject here and now.
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Re: Putting the Record Straight: Answering John Reyes and Mike Truran

Post by John Upham » Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:54 am

MCT replied to BCN this morning as follows:
Dear John

Many thanks for your offer. I will be replying to Malcolm’s comments in due course, but when I do so it will be directly to Council members, who I’m sure you’ll agree are, as the election decision-makers, the most important people in this.

If you do post about this on the forum I should be grateful if you would include my full reply to your email please.

Thanks!

Kind regards

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Post by John Upham » Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:58 am

I feel it is unfortunate that the "most important people" are not the members of the ECF.

It is indeed a sorry state of the affairs that the "most important people" are a sub-set of the members of ECF Council many of whom have no interest in discussing with or consulting the large number of persons that they allegedly "represent".

As for this sub-set holding multiple votes.... :oops:
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Post by JustinHorton » Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:18 am

John Upham wrote:
Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:58 am
It is indeed a sorry state of the affairs that the "most important people" are a sub-set of the members of ECF Council many of whom have no interest in discussing with or consulting the large number of persons that they allegedly "represent".
Does this apply to actual members' reps who nominate candidates without consulting their members?
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