Perhaps you can identify for us anybody who you think behaves in a similar way to Chris Fegan or Tim Wall and has a similar professional relationship to Mike Truran as those two do to Malcolm Pein. If you can't then maybe don't waste our time further.John Upham wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 10:31 amWhat are the defining characteristics of sidekicks?JustinHorton wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 10:08 amIt's been a prominent feature of hs operation for some years, John, hard to see anything comparable elsewhere
You are asserting that MCT does not also have any of them at all?
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OK, some detail is emerging.JustinHorton wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:06 pmPerhaps you can identify for us anybody who you think behaves in a similar way to Chris Fegan or Tim Wall and has a similar professional relationship to Mike Truran as those two do to Malcolm Pein. If you can't then maybe don't waste our time further.John Upham wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 10:31 amWhat are the defining characteristics of sidekicks?JustinHorton wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 10:08 am
It's been a prominent feature of hs operation for some years, John, hard to see anything comparable elsewhere
You are asserting that MCT does not also have any of them at all?
I take it you are asserting that both TPW and CF are "sidekicks" rather than the somewhat less disparaging "supporter" as used by JTM?
Since I would not describe any serving ECF officials as "sidekicks" I fear I cannot help you further.
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There is a difference between supporters and known associates.John Upham wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:29 pmOK, some detail is emerging.JustinHorton wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:06 pmPerhaps you can identify for us anybody who you think behaves in a similar way to Chris Fegan or Tim Wall and has a similar professional relationship to Mike Truran as those two do to Malcolm Pein. If you can't then maybe don't waste our time further.John Upham wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 10:31 am
What are the defining characteristics of sidekicks?
You are asserting that MCT does not also have any of them at all?
I take it you are asserting that both TPW and CF are "sidekicks" rather than the somewhat less disparaging "supporter" as used by JTM?
Since I would not describe any serving ECF officials as "sidekicks" I fear I cannot help you further.
TPW and CF have made personal attacks against Mike Truran, together with a succession of complaints that seem designed to undermine him (although none have yet been upheld).
Please could you point to where Mike's association/ sidekicks/ colleagues have done similar.
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Perhaps it could be helpful to the debate if Malcolm Pein (MP) was to dis-associate himself from the personal attacks and succession of unsubstantiated complaints and insults made against Mike Truran. Otherwise CSC is presumably vicariously liable for particularly Chris Fegan's comments.Andrew Zigmond wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:36 pm
There is a difference between supporters and known associates.
TPW and CF have made personal attacks against Mike Truran, together with a succession of complaints that seem designed to undermine him (although none have yet been upheld).
Please could you point to where Mike's association/ sidekicks/ colleagues have done similar.
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And answer came there none.
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Sadly that sums up the election for me. Although Matthew Read might bash people over the head
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A far-fetched application of the legal concept. The field of action is political rather than legal: people have a right to be critical (until free speech is finally extinguished). Let the arguments on all sides be presented (even if not always welcome) and the people (through the prism of Council) will decide. Let's keep the temperature down.Alan Kennedy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:49 pmOtherwise CSC is presumably vicariously liable for particularly Chris Fegan's comments.
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Well yes, but which side is generating most of the heat?John Foley wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 10:50 amA far-fetched application of the legal concept. The field of action is political rather than legal: people have a right to be critical (until free speech is finally extinguished). Let the arguments on all sides be presented (even if not always welcome) and the people (through the prism of Council) will decide. Let's keep the temperature down.Alan Kennedy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:49 pmOtherwise CSC is presumably vicariously liable for particularly Chris Fegan's comments.
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But also an obligation to be truthful and not to mislead. Selectively disclosing confidential information to give a misleading impression of candidates is not acceptable. It should, at least, make it easy to decide whether people who do this are suitable people to hold roles in the ECF.John Foley wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 10:50 amThe field of action is political rather than legal: people have a right to be critical (until free speech is finally extinguished).
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It now seems accepted that the PIF money, even if spent, should be routed via Chess Trust. Seemingly the PIF Trustees can put conditions on what is done with the money before passing it on. Whilst in the PIF, the rules said that only the investment earnings can be spent, unless the BCF Council votes otherwise. There are precedents, I seem to recall PIF money being spent on past revamps to the grading system and for that matter loans to the ECF following the loss of the DCMS grant.Ian Thompson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 11:47 amBut also an obligation to be truthful and not to mislead.
One of the few things where the Chess Trust wouldn't be allowed to spend money would be the open International team, there being a prohibition on spending charity money on professionals. The CSC seemed to get away with the London Chess Classic. I think there's an exception for events designed to promote the charity.
In retrospect, the ECF was allowed to make an error in redrafting John Robinson's will to direct the assets to a charity rather than the BCF PIF or an ECF PIF. There should have been a sunset clause, even if a modest one, requiring the Trustees to supplement grants by slowly running down the original capital.
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Could there be some creative accounting, where the Chess Trust money is spent elsewhere freeing extra ECF funds spent on the International teams?Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 12:22 pmOne of the few things where the Chess Trust wouldn't be allowed to spend money would be the open International team,
Thereby in effect, spending it on International teams.
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That's quite possible. One problem may be that one of the other bigger items of expenditure is the (professional) office. Subsidies to Women's chess would seem a plausible recipient of funding.Nick Burrows wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 12:41 pmCould there be some creative accounting, where the Chess Trust money is spent elsewhere freeing extra ECF funds spent on the International teams?
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Mmm, and if this had obviously occurred would there be any potential legalitiesNick Burrows wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 12:41 pmCould there be some creative accounting, where the Chess Trust money is spent elsewhere freeing extra ECF funds spent on the International teams?Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 12:22 pmOne of the few things where the Chess Trust wouldn't be allowed to spend money would be the open International team,
Thereby in effect, spending it on International teams.
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Can I perhaps clear up this linguistic quibble?
Truran has supporters, Pein has sidekicks.
Simples!
Truran has supporters, Pein has sidekicks.
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Don't forget the fawning sycophants
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