Do you include Crimea?David Sedgwick wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 4:44 pmDvorkovich could state clearly and unequivocally that no such action should even be contemplated until after Russia has withdrawn from occupied Ukrainian territory.
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I have no idea what you are talking about, and I suspect, neither do you.Chris Goodall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 4:33 pmYou really do have a bee in your bonnet about this. What is so offensive about the idea that sometimes the people want left-leaning governments in charge, and sometimes right-leaning governments, and that those are their genuine and freely expressed wishes? "Oh, but the people's true preference is always for Labour" fails the falsifiability test, because any time they don't elect Labour you can just blame the media or FPTP or The System in general. It's a position that is corrosive to democracy.Gerard Killoran wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 3:57 pmit's much better than vague memories of fifty year old documentaries.
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The Short decision para 45.5 would seem to braid Short up for not consulting the state bodies:J T Melsom wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 4:41 pmWhat is the broad attitude of FIDE on the 'separation of sport and state bodies'?
45.5. If deemed necessary, the FIDE representative should consult representatives of the local Olympic Committee and the sports authorities of the National Government.
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Let's face it, whatever action Dvorkovich took would be criticised by some so it was sensible of him to refer this to a working group, although I imagine that the Russian Chess Federation won't be ecstatic that the working group is headed by a Ukrainian.NickFaulks wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 6:22 pmDo you include Crimea?David Sedgwick wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 4:44 pmDvorkovich could state clearly and unequivocally that no such action should even be contemplated until after Russia has withdrawn from occupied Ukrainian territory.
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I was deliberately imprecise. There have been suggestions that Zelensky might accept a return to the position as at 24th February, at least initially.NickFaulks wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 6:22 pmDo you include Crimea?David Sedgwick wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 4:44 pmDvorkovich could state clearly and unequivocally that no such action should even be contemplated until after Russia has withdrawn from occupied Ukrainian territory.
It would certainly be a major step forward if Dvorkovich were to call for Putin to withdraw Russian forces from all Ukrainian territory occupied since that date.
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It's not. It's headed by an American citizen who was born in the Soviet Union, in what is now Ukraine.Roger Lancaster wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:48 pm,,, though I imagine that the Russian Chess Federation won't be ecstatic that the working group is headed by a Ukrainian.
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Although it seems a rational approach, I think that would be an automatic prison sentence for Dvorkovich. Plus Putin doesn't believe that his troops in Donbas are on Ukrainian territory.David Sedgwick wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:11 amI was deliberately imprecise. There have been suggestions that Zelensky might accept a return to the position as at 24th February, at least initially.NickFaulks wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 6:22 pmDo you include Crimea?David Sedgwick wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 4:44 pmDvorkovich could state clearly and unequivocally that no such action should even be contemplated until after Russia has withdrawn from occupied Ukrainian territory.
It would certainly be a major step forward if Dvorkovich were to call for Putin to withdraw Russian forces from all Ukrainian territory occupied since that date.
I can't see Crimea not being grandfathered into the territory of the Russian CA, since Russia has already been a member while occupying Crimea. It would invite petitions to FIDE from Jammu and Kashmir, the Kurils, Hala'ib, East Jerusalem and Korea.
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I appreciate that Dvorkovich is in a very difficult position. I don't accept that that justifies him saying different things to different people.Chris Goodall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:38 amAlthough it seems a rational approach, I think that would be an automatic prison sentence for Dvorkovich.
I stand by my comment that the election result is a disaster for FIDE. I cannot believe that it is in the best interests of FIDE to have Dvorkovich in charge for the next four years.
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I agree that having a Russian, who was formerly a close associate of Putin, in charge will create problems for FIDE. What was the better, possible, outcome when the only other candidate reportedly didn't want the job and wasn't capable of doing it either?David Sedgwick wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:06 amI stand by my comment that the election result is a disaster for FIDE. I cannot believe that it is in the best interests of FIDE to have Dvorkovich in charge for the next four years.
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A disaster of what nature, though?David Sedgwick wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:06 amI stand by my comment that the election result is a disaster for FIDE.
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That was the question to which the delegates gave their overwhelming response.Ian Thompson wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:00 amI agree that having a Russian, who was formerly a close associate of Putin, in charge will create problems for FIDE. What was the better, possible, outcome when the only other candidate reportedly didn't want the job and wasn't capable of doing it either?
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I repeat, what happened to the credible candidates? I'm asking because I don't know.
I have spent much of the past two weeks with Stuart Fancy, who is good company. He doesn't understand what has just happened either.
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They didn't get nominations from all four continents. An intentionally difficult bar to clear, because it means you need both a large enough pork barrel to appeal to the federations with 6 FIDE-rated players, and enough integrity and competence to appeal to rich Europeans.NickFaulks wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:30 pmI repeat, what happened to the credible candidates? I'm asking because I don't know.
I have spent much of the past two weeks with Stuart Fancy, who is good company. He doesn't understand what has just happened either.
I suspect there was also a realisation that, despite the "secret" nature of the ballot, the anti-Dvorkovich vote was likely to be meager enough that individual voters risked being identified by a process of elimination, and excluded from the pork barrel.
Really, we are the odd ones for imagining that this time, the election will be a meaningful contest. Previous election winners running for re-election have a 100% record.
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What? ONE nomination out of a disparate group of 50+ federations. What would a low bar look like?
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Yes, one nomination from a country that doesn't mind a) being identified as anti-Dvorkovich and b) splitting the anti-Dvorkovich vote.NickFaulks wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:42 amWhat? ONE nomination out of a disparate group of 50+ federations. What would a low bar look like?
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