Vote for an ECF logo

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Vote for an ECF logo

Poll ended at Mon Sep 13, 2010 4:01 pm

Option 1 -
10
24%
Option 2 -
4
10%
Option 3 -
27
66%
 
Total votes: 41

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Re: Vote for an ECF logo

Post by Richard James » Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:41 pm

Extraordinary. Option A is poor but perhaps something can be made of it. I can't imagine what they were thinking of with option B.

Many years ago, in a previous life, I was working for a company which provided computer analysis of market research data. Management, in its wisdom, decided to employ a marketing consultant to find a new name for the company. A rather strange man named after a Scottish football team (Motherwell? Montrose? Morton? Yes, I think that was it) spent a week talking to all the employees to find out exactly what they did. At the end of the week we were summoned to a meeting to be told our new name: SHIPSHAPE. Everyone immediately collapsed in fits of hysterical laughter thinking about what would happen if you changed the 4th letter of the name. Needless to say, the suggestion was rejected out of hand. Since then I've been deeply suspicious of marketing people.

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Re: Vote for an ECF logo

Post by John Hickman » Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:13 pm

Please keep the current ECF logo.

I don't like the other two, especially 2, and I don't want any more ECF funds and effort spent on changing it.

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Re: Vote for an ECF logo

Post by Matt Harrison » Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:53 pm

I have no idea what they're asking to be paid for this, but Create Services isn't a massive international company - it's run by a keen member of Hackney chess club and is a modest enough operation.

I quite like Option 1 btw.

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Re: Vote for an ECF logo

Post by Rob Thompson » Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:01 pm

I also voted for option 1 (even before Carl's addition). Though i note someone has voted for 2 now :roll:
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Re: Vote for an ECF logo

Post by Jon D'Souza-Eva » Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:07 pm

Matt Harrison wrote:... it's run by a keen member of Hackney chess club and is a modest enough operation.
No reason not to give his name - Mark Rivlin.

I'm really not impressed by either of the two new suggestions, but I'm not keen on the old logo either. Can I have a "none of the above" option please?

I won a logo competition at a company I once worked at. Mind you, they went bust a year later.

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Re: Vote for an ECF logo

Post by Tristan Clayton » Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:57 pm

Well, here's the best I could come up with after 15 minutes on MS Paint.
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And my design fees are very reasonable...

I'm also not keen on the two new logos, or indeed the old one.
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Re: Vote for an ECF logo

Post by Richard Haddrell » Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:16 am

Let's call the ECF Consignia and have done with it, then talk about something worth talking about.

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Re: Vote for an ECF logo

Post by Geoff Chandler » Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:19 am

Thank you Jon for the name,

(I'm not too fond of that logo, where is the chess connection - see below).

I was thinking there was a chess insider in the company or at least
a contact with the powers that be.
So why all the cloak and dagger stuff? If this lad is going to do it
on the sly then good luck to him.

However we cannot afford it (I keep thinking about that junior magazine
being pulled).

The current logo is perhaps misunderstood.

The Red Queen is Britannia a symbol of hope and freedom throughout
the whole world.

If you put your thumb over the top of the Queen you
will clearly see a pawn.
The is not just a Queen but a promoted pawn.

Again another statement.

No matter how low of birth you are if you strive forward
with a sole purpose in mind then the rewards are great.

The Knights face each other, as player do over the board.
You cannot mate with two Knights thus declaring that
we are all equal.

They stand bold, proud, courageous, fearless and erect.

When I look at those two Knights I feel a sense of inspiring awe
and comfort. My spirits are lifted.

If you look at the outline of the logo, imagine it in a solid black colour
you will see it is the shape of a King. This sublime message was
placed there to remind us that chess is the king of games.
The Royal Game.

We must keep the current logo.
It is symbol of righteousness, a beacon of hope for the lowly and the oppressed.
Take away that logo and you take away our dreams.

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Re: Vote for an ECF logo

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Wed Aug 25, 2010 1:52 am

Geoff Chandler wrote:We must keep the current logo.
It is symbol of righteousness, a beacon of hope for the lowly and the oppressed.
Take away that logo and you take away our dreams.
<applause>

Very impressive! :)

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Re: Vote for an ECF logo

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Wed Aug 25, 2010 1:54 am

Adam Raoof wrote: choose Proposal 3 – to keep this design
What is the history of this logo? Someone said it was the BCF logo. When was that first designed and by whom?

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Re: Vote for an ECF logo

Post by Richard Bates » Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:25 am

The current logo seems to be modelled on the British Ladies' Championship trophy (or vice versa).

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Re: Vote for an ECF logo

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:16 am

"Is it just me, or does option 1 look more like Lapras from Pokemon than a knight? "

John obviously has hidden depths...

I have had similar experiences to Richard with logos, straplines, mission statements, etc., and wonder if they are really necessary. But (3) has the advantage that you can immediately tell what it is about.

A committee member at Redhill Chess Club suggested we have a logo and after a while we came up with a red rook on a plinth, which not only looked like the club championship trophy, but was also something red (the rook) on a hill (the plinth). He volunteered to do the art work, but then moved from the area and everyone else forgot about the idea.
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Re: Vote for an ECF logo

Post by David Lettington » Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:26 am

I'm not sure what's wrong with the current logo, can someone explain what the criticisms of it are?

If it's necessary to spend money on a new one, what are the benefits of doing so? If, for example, a new logo is likely to be part of a package that attracts new sponsors then might be worth spending money on.

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Re: Vote for an ECF logo

Post by Adam Raoof » Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:49 am

David Lettington wrote:I'm not sure what's wrong with the current logo, can someone explain what the criticisms of it are?

If it's necessary to spend money on a new one, what are the benefits of doing so? If, for example, a new logo is likely to be part of a package that attracts new sponsors then might be worth spending money on.
A very good question.

The current logo renders very poorly on screen - especially on phones and hand-held consoles or anything with a small screen, as it has too much fine detail. We need a more versatile logo that can be used on traditional stationery items, but also on new technology. We are currently negotiating a contract that may require this.

The logo may be familiar to us, but what we need is a logo that will appeal to people who have never heard of the ECF or take part in chess tournaments. We need a logo that is simpler in form, that conveys the right message ('board games'). It needs to be effective when printed in one colour, or no colour. It needs to be useable when you shrink it down to fit on small items, or blow it up to a film-sized poster.

Sadly, I do not think that the current logo fits any of these descriptions.

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Re: Vote for an ECF logo

Post by Ian Kingston » Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:57 am

Adam Raoof wrote:
David Lettington wrote:I'm not sure what's wrong with the current logo, can someone explain what the criticisms of it are?

If it's necessary to spend money on a new one, what are the benefits of doing so? If, for example, a new logo is likely to be part of a package that attracts new sponsors then might be worth spending money on.
A very good question.

The current logo renders very poorly on screen - especially on phones and hand-held consoles or anything with a small screen, as it has too much fine detail. We need a more versatile logo that can be used on traditional stationery items, but also on new technology. We are currently negotiating a contract that may require this.

The logo may be familiar to us, but what we need is a logo that will appeal to people who have never heard of the ECF or take part in chess tournaments. We need a logo that is simpler in form, that conveys the right message ('board games'). It needs to be effective when printed in one colour, or no colour. It needs to be useable when you shrink it down to fit on small items, or blow it up to a film-sized poster.

Sadly, I do not think that the current logo fits any of these descriptions.
I agree with all of that except for the 'board games' part - IBM's logo doesn't have a computer in it; the BBC doesn't have a TV or a radio; MacDonald's doesn't have a burger; Shell doesn't have a petrol pump; Nike doesn't have a running shoe. Yet we all recognise those logos instantly.

The logo needs to be instantly recognisable as the symbol of the English Chess Federation (that's the message). Putting a chessboard on it risks making it just one more generic chess logo. Although I don't like it as it stands, Option 2 actually fits the bill quite well. Make the text clearer and lose the full stop, and I think we could have something highly distinctive that would be a big improvement on the existing logo.

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