Home Chess 2009-2010 and the future

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Alex Holowczak
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Re: Home Chess 2009-2010 and the future

Post by Alex Holowczak » Sun Oct 03, 2010 7:23 pm

David Pardoe wrote:and even perhaps include a `Mid Wales` grouping.
Mid-Wales in the English Chess Federation's Counties Championship?
David Pardoe wrote:I guess despite our somewhat flawed democracy, its not done too badly..... and some are overly keen on the sound of there own voices...whats new..
Um? :shock:

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Re: Home Chess 2009-2010 and the future

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Sun Oct 03, 2010 7:55 pm

5 out of the 7 counties in WECU have an Open team, although none of them usually go on to play in the national stages of the Open (two last year went into the Minor Counties).

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Re: Home Chess 2009-2010 and the future

Post by David Pardoe » Sun Oct 03, 2010 8:30 pm

Alex.... I certainly wasnt referring to you.... It is accepted..ney expected, that students (and the like) will voice opinions and question things... good to stir the grey matter with some lively debate. There is a more `big brother` element that I think should let the club function more freely...and allow a broader range of views to be heard.
Regarding Mid Wales...yes, a good fit next to Shropshire.. complements North Wales who tie in with Cheshire... who sadly dont participate particularly actively these days in county events.
There might be no harm either in having a Hereford/South Wales grouping...why not have a bit more inclusuveness, allowing more players to participate. I know that Cearphilly has a good club (or did have), with an active membership.
Yes, the ECF Exec is rather heavily weighted in the South, I believe. But the main problem is the long standing issue of too much work being done by a few hard working volunteers.
Also, I feel that the ECF company status is a questionable situation....we seem to be trying to force ourselves into a misfitting straight jacket. We need to be classed more as a normal (mainly amateur) Association. But I definately believe that such bodies, which are essentially cultural and social, should get special tax exemptions on those grounds. Now that grants are tighter, I wonder if we are gaining anything for all the efforts.
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Re: Home Chess 2009-2010 and the future

Post by Alex Holowczak » Sun Oct 03, 2010 8:41 pm

David Pardoe wrote: Regarding Mid Wales...yes, a good fit next to Shropshire.. complements North Wales who tie in with Cheshire... who sadly dont participate particularly actively these days in county events.
North Wales fit in with Cheshire due to a historic anomaly, I think. They probably don't participate actively because most of their chessplayers live in a region otherwise known as Greater Manchester. Cheshire & NW played at the NYCA U18 event last week, and most of the people in it were from Greater Manchester.
David Pardoe wrote:Yes, the ECF Exec is rather heavily weighted in the South, I believe.
The ECF Board of Directors cannot be blamed for being from the South. People from the North are quite entitled to stand for election. If they don't put themselves forward, how can they ever be on the Board?
David Pardoe wrote:Also, I feel that the ECF company status is a questionable situation....we seem to be trying to force ourselves into a misfitting straight jacket. We need to be classed more as a normal (mainly amateur) Association. But I definately believe that such bodies, which are essentially cultural and social, should get special tax exemptions on those grounds. Now that grants are tighter, I wonder if we are gaining anything for all the efforts.
Well, its company status isn't questionable. It is a company. Whether the ECF should be a company is debatable, but given this decision would have been made by Council when the new ECF was set up 6 years ago, I'm sure all the possible avenues were investigated by Council at the time.

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Re: Home Chess 2009-2010 and the future

Post by Paul McKeown » Sun Oct 03, 2010 11:44 pm

tiresome illiterate wrote:We have already blundered in recent years by ditching the potentially `world class` BCF brand name.
Is utter rubbish. The BCF had no jurisdiction outside of England and there was no interest in any form of unification from the various other British federations. You have some bizarre fantasy regarding an idea that never was. Good riddance to the BCF label, it was always in reality only ever an ECF. Get over it and get rid of that moronic signature too.

As for the rest of your postings, try spell checking them, then people might actually be bothered taking them seriously.
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Re: Home Chess 2009-2010 and the future

Post by Simon Spivack » Mon Oct 04, 2010 7:58 am

Whoa there Paul... is that not all a bit harsh? Bit of an edit to soften the tone?

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Re: Home Chess 2009-2010 and the future

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Mon Oct 04, 2010 8:04 am

"For instance, all juniors getting through to the Mike Basman Giga Finals should be given a basic estimated grade, perhaps related to the average board they play on."

Or the organisers could pay Game Fee and get the games graded, where clocks are used of course.
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Re: Home Chess 2009-2010 and the future

Post by Alex Holowczak » Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:44 am

Bob Clark wrote: North Wales players were historically grouped with Cheshire because it was impractical for them to compete against other Welsh Teams.
An historic anomaly then... I.e. it wasn't true that all Welsh counties joined in with them.
Bob Clark wrote:Also your comment that most of the Chester and North Wales Junior Players come from Greater Manchester is I suspect inaccurate. Cheshire has a thriving junior chess scene, led by the Grappenhall Club, Kings School Chester and Rydal School in North Wales, last time I looked non of these places were in Manchester.
One of the players who I know said to me in person that quite a few of them normally play for Greater Manchester, but they didn't send a team. He may have been wrong; I didn't think to question him. Indeed, the captain for Greater Manchester's Open team in the County Championship was playing for Cheshire & North Wales. While junior chess may well be thriving in Cheshire & North Wales, and while it doesn't detract from the win, there was a strong GM presence in the team. Not that that's a problem; they're quite entitled to play for them.

Edit: From memory of who was in the team, and looking at the UKCC website, it seems 3/8 of the team were from Lancashire as defined by the UKCC. Presumably this is well within the realm of Greater Manchester. So you're right, not "most", but a significant chunk.

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Re: Home Chess 2009-2010 and the future

Post by Sean Hewitt » Wed Oct 06, 2010 6:10 pm

Sean Hewitt wrote:
Adam Raoof wrote: AIMS for 2010-2011 should I be elected include;

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* support great enterprises such as the 4NCL and e2-e4
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Adam Raoof
Adam, could you expand what you mean by that? Up to now I've seen no help at all (quite the opposite in fact) and I suspect that is the case for the 4NCL too.
Adam - I seem to have missed your reply. :lol:

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Re: Home Chess 2009-2010 and the future

Post by Sean Hewitt » Wed Oct 13, 2010 1:30 pm

Sean Hewitt wrote:
Adam Raoof wrote: AIMS for 2010-2011 should I be elected include;

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* support great enterprises such as the 4NCL and e2-e4
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Adam Raoof
Adam, could you expand what you mean by that? Up to now I've seen no help at all (quite the opposite in fact) and I suspect that is the case for the 4NCL too.
Adam, given that you are unwilling or unable to state what support you propose to offer "great enterprises such as the 4NCL and e2-e4" I would appreciate it if you could remove this deliberately false statement from your report.

You know full well that you are personally responsible for there being no more e2e4 events.

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Re: Home Chess 2009-2010 and the future

Post by Roger de Coverly » Wed Oct 13, 2010 1:42 pm

Sean Hewitt wrote:You know full well that you are personally responsible for there being no more e2e4 events.
Well this is breaking news. Are you able to elaborate?

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Re: Home Chess 2009-2010 and the future

Post by andrew martin » Wed Oct 13, 2010 2:12 pm

Am I getting this right: no more e2e4 events? There are several forthcoming events mentioned on Sean Hewitt's profile.

Why is this?

Apologies if there is a misinterpretation.

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Re: Home Chess 2009-2010 and the future

Post by Ian Kingston » Wed Oct 13, 2010 2:17 pm

The Congress Diary post by Sean (http://www.ecforum.org.uk/viewtopic.php?p=41197#p41197) states that Brighton will be the last e2e4 event.

I really hope that this will not turn out to be the case.

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Re: Home Chess 2009-2010 and the future

Post by Robert Dale » Wed Oct 13, 2010 2:55 pm

Alex Holowczak wrote:
Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
Adam Raoof wrote: BUCA
We provided modest financial support for players to compete in the World Universities Team Championships in Switzerland.
Is it possible to have a figure for this, or will that have to wait for the accounts?
At the moment, £0. The players had to do fulfil certain tasks for their funding (I think a report + annotated games), which as far as I know hasn't been done yet.
The Report is now on the ECF website, though I think there was a technical problem with the annotations. The other task (for Hannah) was a video of two of her games at Canterbury for junior training - done, but technical problems (again), so not yet released. Thanks again, Alex, for all your hard work organising travel etc for WUCC

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Re: Home Chess 2009-2010 and the future

Post by Ljubica Lazarevic » Wed Oct 13, 2010 3:06 pm

And also to the ECF who generously contributed some financial assistance for Hannah Dale and Sarah Hegarty...

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