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Should the ECF accept CJs resignation? - Poll

Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 1:58 pm
by Paul Cooksey
I am hoping forsimple yes/ no responses, to help the ECF judge the members views.

(Or some of them. Or the views of people who pay grading fee. You know what I mean)

If you have any detailed views on the prizing giving incident, or RDK, beyond saying they informed your vote, please post them to separate threads.

Ideally read this one first: CJ Banned? most views have already been discussed.

Re: Should the ECF accept CJs resignation? - Poll

Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 1:59 pm
by Paul Cooksey
I voted no. I am uncomfortable with RDK being involved, but think CJs energy and profile make him a great president

Re: Should the ECF accept CJs resignation? - Poll

Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 3:04 pm
by Carl Hibbard
There is only one poll now as it was impossible to merge them sorry

Re: Should the ECF accept CJs resignation? - Poll

Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 3:06 pm
by John Moore
Fair enough, no problems with that. Just happy that we have a poll.

Re: Should the ECF accept CJs resignation? - Poll

Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 3:08 pm
by Matt Mackenzie
Definitely not.

Re: Should the ECF accept CJs resignation? - Poll

Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 3:12 pm
by Christopher Kreuzer
I've voted (saying no), but will the results be delivered to the ECF? If not, it seems a bit pointless (not to mention that the number voting also makes it a bit pointless). Also, I agree with those who say that the real test of CJ's presidency would be through an election. I'm half-considering attending the ECF AGM this year. Can any member attend to observe?

Re: Should the ECF accept CJs resignation? - Poll

Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 3:13 pm
by IM Jack Rudd
Christopher Kreuzer wrote:I've voted (saying no), but will the results be delivered to the ECF? If not, it seems a bit pointless (not to mention that the number voting also makes it a bit pointless). Also, I agree with those who say that the real test of CJ's presidency would be through an election. I'm half-considering attending the ECF AGM this year. Can any member attend to observe?
To observe? I do not know. You won't have any voting rights unless you're representing an organization that has voting rights.

Re: Should the ECF accept CJs resignation? - Poll

Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 3:15 pm
by Christopher Kreuzer
IM Jack Rudd wrote:
Christopher Kreuzer wrote:I've voted (saying no), but will the results be delivered to the ECF? If not, it seems a bit pointless (not to mention that the number voting also makes it a bit pointless). Also, I agree with those who say that the real test of CJ's presidency would be through an election. I'm half-considering attending the ECF AGM this year. Can any member attend to observe?
To observe? I do not know. You won't have any voting rights unless you're representing an organization that has voting rights.
Yeah, I know. Just to observe. I hear it will be in London, so not out of my way. I guess I'm hoping that paying to be a Direct Member has some bearing, though if all Direct Members turned up it would be a bit much.

Re: Should the ECF accept CJs resignation? - Poll

Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 3:25 pm
by Alex Holowczak
Christopher Kreuzer wrote:I've voted (saying no), but will the results be delivered to the ECF? If not, it seems a bit pointless (not to mention that the number voting also makes it a bit pointless). Also, I agree with those who say that the real test of CJ's presidency would be through an election. I'm half-considering attending the ECF AGM this year. Can any member attend to observe?
No, you can't. Only "Full Members" can attend. Just to make life difficult, that's not as in the membership class "Full member". Basically, a delegate of anyone who is listed on the voting register is entitled to attend, and that's about it. The only exceptions to this rule tend to be the Minutes Secretary (which for my sins has been me in the last two meetings...), and the Office staff. The Office staff usually disappear after the adjournment for tea, anyway.

Re: Should the ECF accept CJs resignation? - Poll

Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 3:31 pm
by James Byrne
Apologies have been made looks like, glad to see CJ carry on.

Re: Should the ECF accept CJs resignation? - Poll

Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 3:35 pm
by Roger de Coverly
Alex Holowczak wrote: No, you can't. Only "Full Members" can attend. Just to make life difficult, that's not as in the membership class "Full member". Basically, a delegate of anyone who is listed on the voting register is entitled to attend, and that's about it.
He's got a better chance than most. The English Deaf Chess Association are members but don't normally, as far as I'm aware, send a delegate, even to observe.

Re: Should the ECF accept CJs resignation? - Poll

Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 4:13 pm
by Christopher Kreuzer
Roger de Coverly wrote:
Alex Holowczak wrote: No, you can't. Only "Full Members" can attend. Just to make life difficult, that's not as in the membership class "Full member". Basically, a delegate of anyone who is listed on the voting register is entitled to attend, and that's about it.
He's got a better chance than most. The English Deaf Chess Association are members but don't normally, as far as I'm aware, send a delegate, even to observe.
I was half-expecting someone to suggest this Forum sends a delegate... :D

Seriously, if new bodies form and apply for membership, can they send delegates to the AGM?

Re: Should the ECF accept CJs resignation? - Poll

Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 9:36 pm
by Peter Sharpe
Roger de Coverly wrote:
Alex Holowczak wrote: No, you can't. Only "Full Members" can attend. Just to make life difficult, that's not as in the membership class "Full member". Basically, a delegate of anyone who is listed on the voting register is entitled to attend, and that's about it.
He's got a better chance than most. The English Deaf Chess Association are members but don't normally, as far as I'm aware, send a delegate, even to observe.
That is because the things that are said at the meeting would go straight over the head of the EDCA delegate unless he/she has good hearing. The Sheffield League accept that no one from Sheffield Deaf would attend the AGM but attendance is compulsory at the fixtures meeting and there is usually someone who would tell the SDCC captain of any new rule changes or any important notices

Re: Should the ECF accept CJs resignation? - Poll

Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 9:40 pm
by Paul Cooksey
I decided to end the poll given a decision has now been taken.

I was surprised it removed the graphic, the votes were 11 to accept resignation, 38 to reject, I think

Re: Should the ECF accept CJs resignation? - Poll

Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 10:34 pm
by David Sedgwick
Peter Sharpe wrote:
Roger de Coverly wrote:
Alex Holowczak wrote: No, you can't. Only "Full Members" can attend. Just to make life difficult, that's not as in the membership class "Full member". Basically, a delegate of anyone who is listed on the voting register is entitled to attend, and that's about it.
He's got a better chance than most. The English Deaf Chess Association are members but don't normally, as far as I'm aware, send a delegate, even to observe.
That is because the things that are said at the meeting would go straight over the head of the EDCA delegate unless he/she has good hearing. The Sheffield League accept that no one from Sheffield Deaf would attend the AGM but attendance is compulsory at the fixtures meeting and there is usually someone who would tell the SDCC captain of any new rule changes or any important notices
However, in this instance we have an EDCA member, Christopher Kreuzer, who says that he might wish to attend the ECF AGM.