Registration with FIDE

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Roger de Coverly
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Registration with FIDE

Post by Roger de Coverly » Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:52 am

from
http://www.fide.com/component/content/a ... nexes.html

http://www.fide.com/images/stories/NEWS ... eeting.pdf

http://www.fide.com/images/stories/NEWS ... layers.pdf


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REGULATIONS ON REGISTRATION & LICENSING OF PLAYERS
1. All National Chess Federations (NCF) shall be required to register their Players with
FIDE. The FIDE Regulations on Registration, Transfers and Eligibility shall apply.
2. The information should contain Player’s Name, Gender, Place & Year of Birth, Photo,
Passport Number; FIDE ID Number (if any). FIDE or the NCF shall issue the FIDE ID
Number if the Player does not have one at the time of registration.
3. FIDE/NCF shall issue the Player with a Player ID Card bearing the information from
Rule 2 above. All information shall be maintained in the List of FIDE Licensed Players.
4. Registration & License Fees
Registration Fee is a one-time payment – 10 Euro
License Fee for 1-year – 30 Euro; 4-years – 100 Euro; Life – 500 Euro
5. A Player who registers to compete in any FIDE rated competition shall be required to
provide his FIDE ID Number.
6. An Organizer receiving any registration must refer to the List of FIDE Licensed Players
before accepting the registration.
7. If an Organizer inadvertently accepted a Player without a valid License, the Organizer
shall be penalized 50 Euro for every infringement. Such Players shall not have a FIDE ID
Number and shall have no Federation Flag.
8. Games played by Players without a valid License shall not count for rating for
themselves. Games played against them by Licensed Players shall be counted.
9. A NCF may subsequently (during or after the competition) register the Player mentioned
in Rules 8 & 9 above provided a Late Payment Fee of 100 Euro is paid.
If FIDE want 30 Euros on top of the ECF's £ 27 and combined with the registration rules, is this on balance likely to increase or reduce the number of events seeking international rating?

I don't know the status of the proposal, how much support it has, and whether FIDE are likely to adopt it.

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Re: Registration with FIDE

Post by Adam Raoof » Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:03 am

And add to that 33O - "Proposal to charge rating fees directly to the Organisers."

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Re: Registration with FIDE

Post by Sean Hewitt » Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:06 am

This would be the death of FIDE rated chess in this country, if not most of the world!

http://www.fide.com/images/stories/NEWS ... nisers.pdf

Cost becomes €7 per player for a swiss or team event, and €300 per all play all PLUS a €100 per section registration fee

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Re: Registration with FIDE

Post by Adam Raoof » Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:11 am

[calms down...]

Looking at these proposals I can't see most of them receiving support from players, organisers or indeed Federations - can you?
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Re: Registration with FIDE

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Re: Registration with FIDE

Post by Matthew Turner » Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:21 am

Roger's second link has this rather mystifying comment at the bottom

"Expanding the UK Chess Challenge Internationally"

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Re: Registration with FIDE

Post by Roger de Coverly » Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:26 am

Adam Raoof wrote: Looking at these proposals I can't see most of them receiving support from players, organisers or indeed Federations - can you?
Does it matter though? The FIDE president always has enough support for his re-election and could therefore get them imposed with the support of smaller federations.

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Re: Registration with FIDE

Post by Ian Kingston » Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:30 am

I was intrigued by this, from Roger's third link:
12. The FIDE Development Commission shall provide the list of federations which require
financial assistance. Based on this list, the disbursement rate is as follow:
100% disbursement - 2012 January 1st to December 31st
90% disbursement - 2013 January 1st to December 31st
80% disbursement - 2014 January 1st to December 31st
70% disbursement - 2015 January 1st to December 31st
60% disbursement - 2016 January 1st onwards
I have had a very cynical thought about this, but I don't want to be sued for libel, especially by someone who could send alien spaceships to abduct me.

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Re: Registration with FIDE

Post by Adam Raoof » Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:37 am

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Re: Registration with FIDE

Post by David Sedgwick » Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:44 am

Adam Raoof wrote:Looking at these proposals I can't see most of them receiving support from players, organisers or indeed Federations - can you?
No, I can't, which is precisely why they're being put forward in an odd-numbered year.

Some years ago, FIDE decided only to hold full Congresses, with a General Assembly, in the even-numbered years, when the Congress coincides with the Olympiad. The reason was the perfectly valid one that a number of Federations couldn't afford to send a delegate just for a Congress, so the General Assemblies in the odd-number of years were rather unrepresentative.

In the odd-numbered years the powers of the General Assembly are exercised by the Executive Board, a much smaller body. At the time the arrangement was adopted, it was stated that major proposals would only ever be put forward in the even-numbered years. Needless to say, this undertaking has been ignored ever since.

The last I heard, the ECF wasn't planning to send an official delegate to the Congress in Krakow. (Nigel Short himself wouldn't be available, as the dates coincide with his second simultaneous tour).

The ECF Board must now reconsider that. We need to have someone on the spot, able to explain forcefully the disastrous nature of these proposals. If we don't, we'll only have ourselves to blame if they're adopted.

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Re: Registration with FIDE

Post by Mike Truran » Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:13 am

As an esteemed colleague has just pointed out to me, if the proposals are ratifies the 4NCL would have the choice of:

(a) increasing entry fees by around £100 a team.

(b) ceasing to be a FIDE rated event, resulting in (i) no requirement to pay FIDE fees (neither the barking mad new proposals nor the existing £1.50/player charge) (ii) no Gold member requirement for individual players.

My, that's a difficult one. Let me think for a moment......

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Re: Registration with FIDE

Post by Roger de Coverly » Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:15 am

David Sedgwick wrote: The ECF Board must now reconsider that. We need to have someone on the spot, able to explain forcefully the disastrous nature of these proposals. If we don't, we'll only have ourselves to blame if they're adopted.
There's a charmingly retro move rate being proposed for some of the competitions. Whilst still popular in the WECU Congress, it was abandoned in the Chiltern league in favour of G/120. Elsewhere FIDE laws have a preference for move 40.

http://www.fide.com/images/stories/NEWS ... itions.pdf
1. These Regulations are applicable to the following FIDE competitions:-
a. World Junior U20 Championships
b. World “Upper” Youth (U14, U16 & U18) Championships
c. World “Lower” Youth (U8, U10 & U12) Championships
d. World Schools (U7, U9, U11, U13, U15 & U17) Championships
e. World Youth U16 Olympiad
f. World Senior (60 & 75) Championships
g. World Amateur (2300 & 2100) Championships
19. The time limit is 90 minutes for 36 moves followed by 30 minutes for the entire game.
The FIDE President is now on record as being against players plodding along at 30 seconds a move. Whether reinstating time scrambles and international 10.2s is a good move is other question. On paper, it would be good for the employment of arbiters, but they would have to work during play.

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Re: Registration with FIDE

Post by Alan Walton » Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:16 am

Does this mean the Fees for congresses will go up for each of them, and then the Federation (ECF) can claim them all back in 2012 (reducing to 60%) due to them always being in financial difficulties, seems that the ECF may like that

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Re: Registration with FIDE

Post by Alex Holowczak » Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:20 am

Alan Walton wrote:Does this mean the Fees for congresses will go up for each of them, and then the Federation (ECF) can claim them all back in 2012 (reducing to 60%) due to them always being in financial difficulties, seems that the ECF may like that
It means that ECF get 40% back.

So say I run a 20-player FIDE-rated Swiss. I would pay:
(1) 100 Euros to register the event
(2) 20*7 = 140 Euros to rate the event

ECF would get 56 Euros; 40% of the 140 for the rating.

At the moment, the same 20-player Swiss would cost an organiser £30, of which ECF pays 20 Euros to FIDE.

If I run an APA, I would pay:
(1) 100 Euros to register the event
(2) 300 Euros to rate the event

ECF would get 120 Euros; 40% of the 300 for the rating.

At the moment, the same APA would cost an organiser £70, of which ECF pays 50 Euros to FIDE.

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Re: Registration with FIDE

Post by Roger de Coverly » Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:23 am

Alex Holowczak wrote: It means that ECF get 40% back.
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I think it means that Federations who vote for the President get 40% back.

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