Mr Keene's increasing involvement with the ECF

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Re: Mr Keene's increasing involvement with the ECF

Post by AustinElliott » Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:31 pm

Re Geoff's search for the punchline, I note that termites cause damage to wood. And there are also various wood boring insects of the beetle variety.

Given that, I reckon some combination of

'wood', 'wood-pusher' and 'boring'

- must be the basis of some jokes.

Anyone care to give it a go?

Of course, to tailor it to Gidders and RDK OBE, I would think a gratuitous Shakespearean reference might be needed as well.

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Re: Mr Keene's increasing involvement with the ECF

Post by John McKenna » Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:56 pm

How about this? CJ, RDK and A. Termite go into a bar...
CJ: What's yours Ray?
RDK: An Old Fashioned, CJ, and you?
CJ: A Harvey Wallbanger.
Bartender: What about your friend?
CJ & RDK: He's no friend.
Bartender: Everybody has to have a drink, what's his poison?
CJ: Of course! Any self-respecting egghead knows that the answer is methanol, commonly known as wood alcohol.
RDK: Make that a bottle.
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Re: Mr Keene's increasing involvement with the ECF

Post by Ian Thompson » Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:24 pm

Ernie Lazenby wrote:Giddins, Steve ...
... Famous published games as played by him absent from any relevant chess literature.
Vaganian-Giddins (Anterwp, 1996) doesn't count then?

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Re: Mr Keene's increasing involvement with the ECF

Post by Geoff Chandler » Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:47 pm

:)

I received a good PM.

I had missed out the 'n' in my 2nd use of the word punchline.
(I've correct it.)

They added perhaps I should make it 'Puckline.' (Nice one that.)

OK I'm off to brush up on my Shakespeare so no more slip past.

Puck.....that was the little lad who asked for more porridge.......yes?

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Post by Ernie Lazenby » Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:23 pm

Ian Thompson wrote:
Ernie Lazenby wrote:Giddins, Steve ...
... Famous published games as played by him absent from any relevant chess literature.
Vaganian-Giddins (Anterwp, 1996) doesn't count then?

Okay fair point. That said, I once drew with Crouch at a congress(late 1970's) when he was rated at 220 and I was 155 but that wont get me into the history books or chess literature.

Forgetting the internet which book does Vaganian- Giddins appear in.

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Re: Mr Keene's increasing involvement with the ECF

Post by John McKenna » Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:34 pm

Geoff has obviously been in Edinburgh (Got on an express to there instead of the local train to Bethnal Green late one night?) long enough to have become partial to porridge. But, what the Dickens? It was Oliver Twist who asked for more.
I see from Geoff's own mugshot that he was ubiquitous in Mad magazine, so probably no copyright problems there.
For your information there was another, older US comic weekly magazine called - you guessed it - Puck!
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Re: Mr Keene's increasing involvement with the ECF

Post by Geoff Chandler » Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:58 pm

Oliver Twist is not one of Shakespeare's characters.
He was the friend of Tom Sawyer in Gulliver's Travels when
they went around the World in 80 days.

You guys have been reading far too many chess books and not enough classics.

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Re: Mr Keene's increasing involvement with the ECF

Post by Carl Hibbard » Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:59 pm

Geoff Chandler wrote:I have made the Stevie G hall of fame. :)
Nice

To quote the man himself:

I have alerted Ray Keene and my friends at Chessbase to these latest copyright violations. Let's hope a letter or two from M'learned Friends are on their way to Old Mother's cupboard, along with that of his web host.

At least you know if we go offline :roll:
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Re: Mr Keene's increasing involvement with the ECF

Post by JustinHorton » Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:11 pm

I'm amused to learn that RDK might be concerned about copyright violations.
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Re: Mr Keene's increasing involvement with the ECF

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:53 pm

"It's the Internet. It's free.
There was no ownership banner under the original.
The picture is in the public domain."

No. If you take a picture from the internet and publish it, the onus is on you to discover who owns the copyright. There was a case recently, where someone found a picture on the internet, tracked down the owner of the copyright and asked permission several times to use it. Not receiving a reply, he went ahead and used the picture in his new book, and then received a letter from the copyright holder demanding recompense...

I've found a really good photograph (on the internet) I want to use in my next book and have now (with help from a copyright expert) discovered who owns it. If they refuse permission, I won't be able to use it, which is a pain, but as it's a foreign government that owns it, it would be foolish to risk their wrath - they can afford the legal costs! (And ten years inside is the maximum penalty, which is fairly sobering.)
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Re: Mr Keene's increasing involvement with the ECF

Post by Phil Neatherway » Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:57 pm

Is there no end to MR C's new found fame?

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Re: Mr Keene's increasing involvement with the ECF

Post by Geoff Chandler » Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:00 pm

We can't go offline. We are the only people that give him his precious hits.

Hi Kevin.

Taking a picture to use in a book (for financial gain) is I agree is not on.
But a joke....?

Anyway, have decided to go back add credit to picture.
At least know I know now who took it.

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Re: Mr Keene's increasing involvement with the ECF

Post by Ian Kingston » Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:28 pm

People will surely say that I must have too much time on my hands, but I've just run through the 'Termitewatch' posts on the Anteater's old blog and found the following photos with either faulty or zero attribution:

Termitewatch (2): Officer Crabtree (wrongly credited)
Termitewatch (3): Officer Crabtree (different photo; wrongly credited)
Termitewatch (4): Stewart Reuben (uncredited)
Termitewatch (5): Gordon Ramsay (uncredited)
Termitewatch (9): Officer Crabtree again (uncredited)
Termitewatch (14): Daleks (wrongly credited)

Officer Crabtree and the Daleks (can't wait for that episode!) are almost certainly BBC copyright.

In addition, Termitewatch (8) and (11) use two identical illustrations but with different credits. One or two other pictures have suspect attributions, but I can't be bothered to check them out - I think I've made my point.

'Few love to hear the sins they love to act' (Shakespeare: Pericles, Act 1 Scene 1) (Any fool can Google a Shakespeare quote.)

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Re: Mr Keene's increasing involvement with the ECF

Post by Carl Hibbard » Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:31 pm

Can you just reproduce content from this forum without permission?
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Re: Mr Keene's increasing involvement with the ECF

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:41 pm

Carl Hibbard wrote:Can you just reproduce content from this forum without permission?
I believe you can if it's "fair dealing", which includes using relevant short extracts for the purposes of discussion and review.

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