Mr Keene's increasing involvement with the ECF

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Re: Mr Keene's increasing involvement with the ECF

Post by Roger de Coverly » Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:46 pm

Paul Cooksey wrote: you might want to join me in contemplating the type of captain Mr Keene might be.
Didn't David Norwood once write that his role as captain included organising pizzas? I'm sure arranging food and wine would be entirely to the taste of the Times Correspondent.

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Re: Mr Keene's increasing involvement with the ECF

Post by Carl Hibbard » Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:36 pm

Whoops I jumped the gun and deleted a duplicate post the same time as the original poster did a tidyup

Sorry :oops:
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Re: Mr Keene's increasing involvement with the ECF

Post by Paul Cooksey » Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:38 pm

Carl Hibbard wrote:Whoops I jumped the gun and deleted a duplicate post the same time as the original poster did a tidyup

Sorry :oops:
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Re: Mr Keene's increasing involvement with the ECF

Post by Carl Hibbard » Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:40 pm

Paul Cooksey wrote:
Carl Hibbard wrote:Whoops I jumped the gun and deleted a duplicate post the same time as the original poster did a tidyup

Sorry :oops:
If you find yourself in the next instalment of Mr Toad's Diary, don't come running to us :)
I deleted a double post of Jonathan Bryant the same time as he made the correction, so whoops I have banned myself until tomorrow morning
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Re: Mr Keene's increasing involvement with the ECF

Post by Jonathan Bryant » Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:53 am

I was just pointing out that as far as Olympiad records go, RDK's is rather decent.

Thrice playing through whole events unbeaten
IM norm at Siegen in 1970
GM norm at Nice in 1974
GM norm at Haifa in 1976.


If circumstances were different, Ray would make a pretty good Olympiad captain, I think.

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Re: Mr Keene's increasing involvement with the ECF

Post by John McKenna » Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:01 am

Did Ray lead the way? England's placing in those Olympiads went from 25th in 1970 (17th '72, 10th '74) to 3rd in 1976.
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Re: Mr Keene's increasing involvement with the ECF

Post by Alan Walton » Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:09 am

In 1970 and 1972 Hartson seems to be the better performer, Keene performance in 1974 was 2556 (was that a GM norm then?), in 1976 the whole team performed well, especially Miles who got a 2650 performance on board 1

After 1976 Keene only played a handful of games with no victories, from 1980 onwards the younger generation dominated the team

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Re: Mr Keene's increasing involvement with the ECF

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:44 pm

And the shenanigans surrounding the 1974 event surely don't need repeating, do they??
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Re: Mr Keene's increasing involvement with the ECF

Post by Jon D'Souza-Eva » Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:05 pm

Whatever you may think of Keene as a person, he was a tremendous chess player in the 1970s. Check out this game from 1975 against Miles:

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Re: Mr Keene's increasing involvement with the ECF

Post by Charlie Storey » Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:47 pm

I think Grandmaster Ray Keene would make an excellent captain - he knows more about chess than any other chess Master I have encountered.
In fact I would go so far to say he is not just a visionary he is also a gentleman with the best interests of chess at heart.

I would even consider playing for him if he ever got the role and would happily play The Teradctyl.
Although to justify my place I may have to play a few GM tournaments in the summer so I can rocket past the current crop of Masters who haven't quite gor their heads around The Sniper yet!
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Post by John Upham » Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:48 pm

Charlie Storey wrote: I would even consider playing for him if he ever got the role and would happily play The Teradctyl.
Both RDK and Lawrence Day referred to The Pterodactyl from time to time.
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Re: Mr Keene's increasing involvement with the ECF

Post by Roger de Coverly » Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:13 pm

Matt Mackenzie wrote:And the shenanigans surrounding the 1974 event surely don't need repeating, do they??
Kingpin's account is on-line at
http://www.chess.co.uk/kingpin/Kingpin/raylevy.htm

The problem that both Keene & Hartston might have needed to play Andersson in the last round wasn't mentioned in contemporary reports. Chess for instance tabulated Keene's opponents and just commented that Hartston had an outside chance of a GM norm.

Olimpbase has the round by round scores
http://www.olimpbase.org/1974/1974eng.html

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Re: Mr Keene's increasing involvement with the ECF

Post by Geoff Chandler » Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:28 pm

So It was all a joke. :)

SG: 1 Termites: 0

Looking forward to more jokes.

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Original picture by Frederic Friedel on Chessbase, I deleted the background
so it would match the colour of this thread.
That is the artist within me struggling to surface.

Hi Jon.

Agreed. Keeno was good at his peak. His 'How I Became a GM' is a good read.
Some good games in there.

I liked Keene, he's dropped a bit in my eyes over the Alex and Lara affair but
he won't lose any sleep over my opinion.

I reckon he would make a great team captain. Engalnd would win the Olympiad
of that I have no doubt with all the moves taking place off the board.
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Re: Mr Keene's increasing involvement with the ECF

Post by Geoff Chandler » Wed Mar 07, 2012 5:59 pm

I have made the Stevie G hall of fame. :)

So we don't have him boasting about his hits which seem very important to him.
I'll save you the bother of going there.

This appears in the middle of the BLOG.

"Now another of their number, one Geoff Chandler, has weighed in.
As far as I can establish from his various past offerings, Chandler seems to
regard himself as something of a Caissic Frankie Boyle.

He does, in truth, occasionally exhibit a modicum of Boyle's offensiveness,
but of the latter's wit there is, alas, no trace.

Chandler's latest contribution is a truly side-splitting one-liner about myself, based around a photo of me.

The photo was actually taken by Frederic Friedel of Chessbase, at Wijk aan Zee, a few years ago, but no reader of the
Egregious Forum would know that, because the picture is unattributed.

Given that Chandler does not have the courtesy to credit the picture to Friedel, I think we can discount the chances that the
cretinous Caledonian has actually sought or obtained permission to use it.

And whilst these acts of online piracy are taking place before their very eyes on the Egregious Forum, where are the fearless
moderators of the said piece of cyberspace, led by self-appointed Censor in Chief, Carl "Old Mother" Hibbard? etc etc etc..."

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"online piracy..."

"Image may be subject to copyright." is all I got when it I snatched it.

'may be' what does that mean?

Nowhwere does it say on the CB site anything is copyright.
I even typed 'copyright' in their site search engine. Nothing.
(cept a link to some bod wanting copyright for chess players games.)

The article from whence the pic came.

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=5150

Does not mention Frederic Friedel or his camera.

And as I am not using the image not to make a financial gain or indeed slander anyone.
And Stevie G often makes merry with a picture of a well known and respected contributor
to this forum.....

(No it's not funny...I'm still thinking of a punchline.)

I even tidied it up by removing the background. (brick walls.)
It made it look as if StevieG was standing outside a gents toilet.

It's the Internet. It's free.
There was no ownership banner under the original.
The picture is in the public domain.

Leave it up Carl. It's a joke.

If CB come calling then just say I did not know who to contact.
(true). and as you can see it is just a harmless piece of fun...
If you want I'll go and add Fred's name, but only if you want me to.

Now where was I?

"a Caissic Frankie Boyle."

I'm not a Frankie Boyle fan. I don't find him witty at all, just sick.

I'm a Laurel & Hardy man.
(....this is another fine mess I've got Carl into.)

"...the cretinous Caledonian..."

Wrong again honey.....I was born born in Bethnal Green.

Of course SG's just upset because he cannot think up a good punchline.

RDK to Termite.

"What is your favourite opening?"

"The Ruy Lopez." replies the termite, then adds. "What's yours?"

RDK: "Why thank you, I'll have a double brandy!"

CJ to termite:

"What is that King's Pawn Opening where White plays 3.d4."

Termite: "Scotch."

CJ: "Why thank you, I too will have a double."
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Re: Mr Keene's increasing involvement with the ECF

Post by Ernie Lazenby » Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:03 pm



Very Good.

Heres a possible entry for a future whose who;

Giddins, Steve
A believer in the power of ego, a radical thinker.
A believer in his ability to comment on all subjects known to man and convince lesser mortals he was always right.
A believer in his great ability at chess, evidence for such a believe known only to himself. Famous published games as played by him absent from any relevant chess literature.
Proud owner of a very high pedestal which he sat upon to pass judgement on lesser mortals.
Owner of a blog with which he used to demostrate his ego.

Fav. Hobby. Ridiculing lesser mortals in particular those who dared to offer an opinion counter to his own.Resorting to highly personal attacks when he was unable to find a constructive intelligent word or two to make a point.

Fav. Purchase. A ready supply of kleenex tissues needed for the orgasmic climax achieved from the flow of his acerbic pen.

Pet hate. People not reading his blog.

Known friends- further information needed.

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