The British itself!

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Re: The British itself!

Post by David Sedgwick » Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:05 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:At previous championships, players were sometimes required to leave the boards as they were, whether on a live board or not.

But isn't correctly recording results, even on computers, one of the key arbiter skills?
Yes, but arbiters may not always realise that the players have messed things up before they get there. Hence the instruction which you quote in your first sentence.

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Re: The British itself!

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:47 pm

Hahaha, one of the pairings this morning was Graham-Thorpe.


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Re: The British itself!

Post by Carl Hibbard » Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:34 pm

Live games failing for me with operation timeout on the live component, anyone else?
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Reason: The livechesscloud.com element still in beta maybe?
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Re: The British itself!

Post by David Sedgwick » Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:53 pm

Carl Hibbard wrote:Live games failing for me with operation timeout on the live component, anyone else?
I had the same problem, but I'm now getting them.

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Re: The British itself!

Post by Carl Hibbard » Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:55 pm

David Sedgwick wrote:
Carl Hibbard wrote:Live games failing for me with operation timeout on the live component, anyone else?
I had the same problem, but I'm now getting them.
Yes back on here too.
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Re: The British itself!

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Mon Jul 21, 2014 4:52 pm

What on Earth is going on in Ward-Hebden on board 3? (Currently at move 27)

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Re: The British itself!

Post by Roger de Coverly » Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:01 pm

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:What on Earth is going on in Ward-Hebden on board 3? (Currently at move 27)
It was a relatively routine Benoni/Kings Indian where White punted e5 at move 21. Mark then unleashed a counter-play idea with Bxa4. Count the pieces and pawns when the dust settles and I imagine that Black will have one extra pawn and level pieces. But there are tactical blows and counter blows before they get there. With Mark having nearly an hour more on the clock, that may well be a point in his favour.

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Re: The British itself!

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:08 pm

I was wondering if 29.Qxg6+ was possible, and Ward has played it! I thought White was going to be a piece up after the dust settles, Roger? I don't see lines where Hebden would have got both pieces back. But this line looks winning for Ward as well. (EDIT: And 32.Nf5 and/or Nce4 looks terminal)

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Re: The British itself!

Post by Ray Sayers » Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:23 pm

Nick Pert can play 31. Qb8+ Kh7, 32. Qb1+ g6, 33. Qf1?

Edit: I must have missed something; Nick Played 31. Qb6

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Re: The British itself!

Post by Simon Brown » Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:28 pm

Says draw on the live boards which I assume is wrong?

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Re: The British itself!

Post by John Moore » Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:31 pm

See Keith is back in the country winning games in the British! I am not sure about Ward-Hebden - I couldn't see how the tactics worked for Black but I wasn't running an engine and it might have been one move that made the difference.

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Re: The British itself!

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:31 pm

Simon Brown wrote:Says draw on the live boards which I assume is wrong?
For Ward-Hebden? I assume the draw result showing on the live boards display is wrong. Black is forced to play Qc5+ and Qf8 to avoid being mated, but Ne4 (with Ng5+ and Nh6+ unstoppable) looks a crushing follow-up. (EDIT: The rankings here shows that Ward won: http://www.britishchesschampionships.co ... nking.html, and live boards now corrected as well)
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Re: The British itself!

Post by John Moore » Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:33 pm

Ray Sayers wrote:Nick Pert can play 31. Qb8+ Kh7, 32. Qb1+ g6, 33. Qf1?

Edit: I must have missed something; Nick Played 31. Qb6

Ray I thought that too. I don't think that you missed anything

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Re: The British itself!

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:35 pm

John Moore wrote:
Ray Sayers wrote:Nick Pert can play 31. Qb8+ Kh7, 32. Qb1+ g6, 33. Qf1?

Edit: I must have missed something; Nick Played 31. Qb6

Ray I thought that too. I don't think that you missed anything
Doesn't Black simply play Qd2, then after White plays Qxa6 Black can play Qe1+ and wins the f2 pawn or the a5 pawn, depending on White's reply. Not sure if White can avoid a perpetual after f2 falls.

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Re: The British itself!

Post by John Moore » Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:41 pm

Is there a perpetual whilst white has a pawn on e3. White defends the e3 pawn with Qb6 and shoves his a-pawn forcing Black to defend passively. Apologies if I have missed something.

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