Poll: Is the ECF doing a good job?

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Is the ECF doing a good job?

Poll ended at Wed May 31, 2017 9:42 pm

Yes
23
53%
No
20
47%
 
Total votes: 43

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Paolo Casaschi
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Re: Poll: Is the ECF doing a good job?

Post by Paolo Casaschi » Fri May 26, 2017 8:15 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Paolo Casaschi wrote:The situation is that, for example, the latest FIDE rating list (if I did the pivot table right) has 2923 players for ENG, 19439 for FRA and 22897 for GER. You certainly can try to find issues and excuses for that
That is an extremely simple one to answer - the ECF has taxed FIDE rated chess almost out of existence. They have treated it as a cash cow and have killed the golden ( membership ) goose.
That still does not explain the numbers. For example, the membership list on the ECF website lists 10262 members. This is about half of the French and German FIDE rated players. Even if all ECF members gained a FIDE ratings, still England would be far behind.

If you want to compare membership numbers the French federation claims 57414 members (6x the ECF) and the German federation claims 89000 (9x the ECF). Starting from a comparable population (England pop is about 2/3 of Germany and 80% of France), how would you explain they have A LOT more members?

Don't you think the French and German federation deserve some credit for their achievements in comparison to the ECF?

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Re: Poll: Is the ECF doing a good job?

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Fri May 26, 2017 8:26 pm

The other number you can work with is the 15323 people on the ECF grading list. Again, much smaller than comparable FRA and GER numbers.

What I'm not sure is what the ECF could do about it.

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Re: Poll: Is the ECF doing a good job?

Post by Roger de Coverly » Fri May 26, 2017 8:50 pm

IM Jack Rudd wrote: the more FIDE-rated events there are, the more other encouragement other events have to becoming rated.
There's the effect of competition. For some events, being able to offer a qualification place to the British Championship was an incentive, an incentive that the ECF is diluting to near invisibility. It's only tournaments with a 1-2-2 format or longer and four hour sessions or longer that can introduce FIDE rating.

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Re: Poll: Is the ECF doing a good job?

Post by NickFaulks » Fri May 26, 2017 9:32 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote: It's only tournaments with a 1-2-2 format or longer and four hour sessions or longer that can introduce FIDE rating.
What?
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Post by Roger de Coverly » Fri May 26, 2017 9:38 pm

NickFaulks wrote: What?
There's a four hour minimum playing session for FIDE rating unless you exclude higher rated players. As playing for 12 hours or longer is longer acceptable because of the early starts and late finishes, you have to schedule the tournament with one round on Sunday, two on Saturday and two on Sunday if using four hour sessions. A 1-2-2 format.

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Re: Poll: Is the ECF doing a good job?

Post by Michael Farthing » Fri May 26, 2017 9:41 pm

Like what we Northerners do all the time.. What on Earth is the problem with it?

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Re: Poll: Is the ECF doing a good job?

Post by NickFaulks » Fri May 26, 2017 9:57 pm

The difference between England and France is that in France, a FIDE rated game is defined as any ratable game of chess. In England it is defined as any game where the organisers have not managed to find any excuse not to rate it. Gold membership is of course one reasonable excuse.

Has anyone read the Rating Regulations which will will come into force from 1.7.17 ( having been stalled for over six months while waiting for completely unnecessary PB confirmation )?
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Re: Poll: Is the ECF doing a good job?

Post by Michael Farthing » Fri May 26, 2017 10:13 pm

Nick,

I do not honestly think this is a Board conspiracy to keep us graded but unrated. Alex in particular seems pretty keen (almost determined) to up the ratings. BUT there seems a total lack of recognition that the price discimination mechanism for membership is impeding any progress. I keep on telling Alex this both privately and publicly. I'm not against membership price discrimination (ie different levels of membership to extract more money from keener players). It's very sensible. A lot of keener players would be the first to admit it. (you can make it sound much more pc and acceptable by saying it the other way round - cheaper membership levels to encourage in new and less committed members). BUT you shouldn't make expensive something that you want to persuade people to do. That's silly. Respond Alex!! What have you to say?

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Re: Poll: Is the ECF doing a good job?

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Fri May 26, 2017 10:39 pm

Michael Farthing wrote: BUT there seems a total lack of recognition that the price discimination mechanism for membership is impeding any progress.
Lack of recognition, or lack of agreement? The two are not the same.

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Post by Paul Cooksey » Fri May 26, 2017 10:45 pm

LawrenceCooper wrote:I'd been hoping for an answer from Paul as he started the poll...
I'll probably comment when it closes, but decided not to try to influence people.

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Re: Poll: Is the ECF doing a good job?

Post by Carl Hibbard » Fri May 26, 2017 10:51 pm

A reasonable job yes but accountability not so much.
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Post by Carl Hibbard » Fri May 26, 2017 10:58 pm

I also am not convinced that Johns plan was that Malcolm could spend cash however he decided best.
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Re: Poll: Is the ECF doing a good job?

Post by Roger de Coverly » Fri May 26, 2017 11:08 pm

NickFaulks wrote: Has anyone read the Rating Regulations which will will come into force from 1.7.17 ( having been stalled for over six months while waiting for completely unnecessary PB confirmation )?
No.

Would you care to give a precis or a link?

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Re: Poll: Is the ECF doing a good job?

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Fri May 26, 2017 11:13 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
NickFaulks wrote: Has anyone read the Rating Regulations which will will come into force from 1.7.17 ( having been stalled for over six months while waiting for completely unnecessary PB confirmation )?
No.

Would you care to give a precis or a link?
http://www.fide.com/component/handbook/ ... ew=article

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Re: Poll: Is the ECF doing a good job?

Post by Roger de Coverly » Fri May 26, 2017 11:50 pm

So what's new? It's still a minimum session length of four hours unless you exclude players over 2200.
1.1


For a game to be rated each player must have the following minimum periods in which to complete all the moves, assuming the game lasts 60 moves.
Where at least one of the players in the game has a rating 2200 or higher, each player must have a minimum of 120 minutes.
Where at least one of the players in the game has a rating 1600 or higher, each player must have a minimum of 90 minutes.
Where both of the players in the game are rated below 1600, each player must have a minimum of 60 minutes

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