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Andrew Zigmond wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:55 pmAm I missing something here or is this just a case of the ECF billing a graded event for the relevant fees in accordance with what is now an established policy? I saw the contempt with which a suggestion that this should be raised with the ECF office was treated on a near identical thread.
It appears the ECF have backed down on the price hike for junior events.Andrew Zigmond wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:55 pmAm I missing something here or is this just a case of the ECF billing a graded event for the relevant fees in accordance with what is now an established policy?
Weren't these concerns expressed and dismissed at the 2017 Finance Meeting?Last April, the Federation’s Council, its governing body, switched away from Game Fee for junior tournaments to ‘Pay to Play’ fees. This was set at £3.75, half the ‘open age’ rate, from 1st September 2017.
The Federation’s Board has reviewed the early effects of this change and has some concerns about its impact on certain events attracting high numbers of very young players. Although other factors have contributed, in particular it seems that the expected take up of free Junior Silver membership, available for a player’s first year of ECF membership, has been far lower than anticipated. As a result some junior events have incurred high ‘Pay To Play’ costs.
The Board now considers that the ‘Pay to Play’ should be adjusted to better reflect the intentions of the changes for 2017/18 rates. For 2017/18 the junior ‘Pay to Play’ the amount will be £2.00 rather than £3.75. This £2.00 figure is close to the £1.80 that would have been payable for a typical 6-round junior rapidplay event operating under the former Game Fee.
In answer to Roger's question: I don't recall that concerns were expressed and dismissed at the 2017 Finance Council Meeting.Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:52 amIt appears the ECF have backed down on the price hike for junior events.
http://www.englishchess.org.uk/pay-to-p ... urnaments/
Weren't these concerns expressed and dismissed at the 2017 Finance Meeting?Last April, the Federation’s Council, its governing body, switched away from Game Fee for junior tournaments to ‘Pay to Play’ fees. This was set at £3.75, half the ‘open age’ rate, from 1st September 2017.
The Federation’s Board has reviewed the early effects of this change and has some concerns about its impact on certain events attracting high numbers of very young players. Although other factors have contributed, in particular it seems that the expected take up of free Junior Silver membership, available for a player’s first year of ECF membership, has been far lower than anticipated. As a result some junior events have incurred high ‘Pay To Play’ costs.
The Board now considers that the ‘Pay to Play’ should be adjusted to better reflect the intentions of the changes for 2017/18 rates. For 2017/18 the junior ‘Pay to Play’ the amount will be £2.00 rather than £3.75. This £2.00 figure is close to the £1.80 that would have been payable for a typical 6-round junior rapidplay event operating under the former Game Fee.
Essentially it's a per head fee to allow non-members to participate in graded chess. It will be recalled that under the Game Fee regulations, the rapidplay rate was half the standard rate and the junior rate a third of that. So when the adult Game Fee was 60p, the fee for a rapidplay junior event was 10p per game or in effect 50p or 60p a head for a tournament. If there are a 100 participants that's £ 50 or £ 60 per tournament. Replace Game Fee with per head membership for adults at £ 12 to £ 19 and the equivalent junior amount becomes £ 2 to £ 3 if kept in the same proportions, expensive to collect at an individual level. Hence the problem and why Junior Organisers are apt to kick up a fuss when they belatedly realise that the cost of running tournaments has been increased.Angus French wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:03 pmNow the Junior Silver Pay-to-Play fee has been further reduced to £2.
My view is that any fees for juniors playing in, essentially what are adult chess circles, should pay 20% of the adult fee. I base this entirely on my experience when I joined a League Club as a teenager around 1960 (that's years not FIDE); the adult annual chess club fee was £1.25 and the junior fee 25p (or 5 bob). It worked for me, the adult members and it worked for other juniors, attracting about 5 junior members out of a total membership of about 45. I realise we are not discussing the same type of fees here but I would apply it across the board as it would save time currently wasted discussing the level at council and board meetings.Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:27 pm
Essentially it's a per head fee to allow non-members to participate in graded chess. It will be recalled that under the Game Fee regulations, the rapidplay rate was half the standard rate and the junior rate a third of that. So when the adult Game Fee was 60p, the fee for a rapidplay junior event was 10p per game or in effect 50p or 60p a head for a tournament. If there are a 100 participants that's £ 50 or £ 60 per tournament. Replace Game Fee with per head membership for adults at £ 12 to £ 19 and the equivalent junior amount becomes £ 2 to £ 3 if kept in the same proportions, expensive to collect at an individual level. Hence the problem and why Junior Organisers are apt to kick up a fuss when they belatedly realise that the cost of running tournaments has been increased.
The discussion seems to have taken place unofficially on this forum, rather than at the ECF Council meeting.