ECF Finance meeting 2018

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Hok Yin Stephen Chiu
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Re: ECF Finance meeting 2018

Post by Hok Yin Stephen Chiu » Sat Apr 28, 2018 1:41 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 12:23 pm
Hok Yin Stephen Chiu wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:27 am


In danger of repeating the same point, if you only want to play in tournaments, but not League chess, you are forced to pay Silver
That's factually incorrect. You are NOT required to pay an annual fee to play in Congresses. Instead you get a sort of temporary membership or the duration of the Congress, although it's termed as "pay to play" rather than temporary membership. Bronze members make that payment as well because their membership rights don't extend to Congresses.

You could go the other way and have a "League membership" and a "Congress membership" without overlap. Expensive yes for those wanting to take part in both and only marginally so in one, but that's the consequence of adopting flat rate per head per year schemes for raising money for the ECF.
Indeed the word 'forced' may have been a bit of artistic license, but as it stands, the pay-to-play fee can not be compared to Bronze Membership, and I think that is the issue... we have a membership structure for people know only want to play league chess, but not an equivalent membership structure for those who just want to play Congress chess.

Anyhow i m running 1.5 hours late!
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Re: ECF Finance meeting 2018

Post by John Reyes » Sat Apr 28, 2018 2:03 pm

We are on the budget
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Re: ECF Finance meeting 2018

Post by Roger de Coverly » Sat Apr 28, 2018 2:49 pm

Hok Yin Stephen Chiu wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 1:41 pm
we have a membership structure for people know only want to play league chess, but not an equivalent membership structure for those who just want to play Congress chess.
Would you make it compulsory for players to be ECF members to take part in Congresses? That would include events like the Warwick University rapidplay.

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Re: ECF Finance meeting 2018

Post by benedgell » Sat Apr 28, 2018 3:43 pm

7b has been withdrawn. At least 2 potential candidates are interested in becoming Director of Women's Chess.

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Re: ECF Finance meeting 2018

Post by John Reyes » Sat Apr 28, 2018 3:46 pm

County chess and the Nccu proposal next
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Re: ECF Finance meeting 2018

Post by benedgell » Sat Apr 28, 2018 4:44 pm

County proposals lost. A went to a card vote, B & C defeated on hand vote.

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Re: ECF Finance meeting 2018

Post by Carl Hibbard » Sat Apr 28, 2018 4:52 pm

John Reyes wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 3:46 pm
County chess and the Nccu proposal next
benedgell wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 4:44 pm
County proposals lost. A went to a card vote, B & C defeated on hand vote.
Nice reporting thanks.
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Re: ECF Finance meeting 2018

Post by benedgell » Sat Apr 28, 2018 5:19 pm

Item 9 soundly defeated on hand vote. Gone to card vote so there's a record of who voted which way.

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Re: ECF Finance meeting 2018

Post by Roger de Coverly » Sat Apr 28, 2018 5:36 pm

benedgell wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 4:44 pm
County proposals lost. A went to a card vote, B & C defeated on hand vote.
Presumably then the Counties Championship retains its current formats?

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Re: ECF Finance meeting 2018

Post by benedgell » Sat Apr 28, 2018 5:38 pm

63 for, 243 against for item 9.

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Re: ECF Finance meeting 2018

Post by Roger de Coverly » Sat Apr 28, 2018 5:39 pm

benedgell wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 5:19 pm
Item 9 soundly defeated on hand vote. Gone to card vote so there's a record of who voted which way.
That's the one about whether Bronze and Silver members should pay the same price.

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Re: ECF Finance meeting 2018

Post by Hok Yin Stephen Chiu » Sat Apr 28, 2018 7:02 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 2:49 pm
Hok Yin Stephen Chiu wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 1:41 pm
we have a membership structure for people know only want to play league chess, but not an equivalent membership structure for those who just want to play Congress chess.
Would you make it compulsory for players to be ECF members to take part in Congresses? That would include events like the Warwick University rapidplay.
I made the case that there isn't parity at the moment, and the standard membership proposals will get rid of this artificial barrier before League and Congress chess. Fundamentally, as Leagues organise more Rapidplays, etc, the distinction between League chess and congresses/tournaments will get blurred, and rightly so - we should have a simple membership system where its no hassle for people wanting to play League or in Congresses or a bit of both.

Anyway, the final result was 63 for, 233 against and 10 abstentions (apparently that was better than 2 for, regarding a similar motion proposed several years back, so I guess there's progress on this front)
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Re: ECF Finance meeting 2018

Post by Roger de Coverly » Sat Apr 28, 2018 7:28 pm

Hok Yin Stephen Chiu wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 7:02 pm
we should have a simple membership system where its no hassle for people wanting to play League or in Congresses or a bit of both.
We used to have an even simpler scheme where there was no onus on individuals to become ECF members. Financing the ECF was left to Counties, Leagues and Congresses who after all have and still have the votes to direct the ECF. Mouthy Congress organisers objected to receiving bills from the ECF.

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Re: ECF Finance meeting 2018

Post by benedgell » Sat Apr 28, 2018 8:26 pm

The Casual Chess funding request was rejected. Basically today we approved the budget and the accounts, pretty much rejected everything else.

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Re: ECF Finance meeting 2018

Post by Chris Goodall » Sat Apr 28, 2018 10:00 pm

Andrew Zigmond wrote:
Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:40 pm
I'll throw something else into the mix. The ECF ultimately aren't responsible for the `product`. Is your club/ league welcoming and forward looking or does it just tick along amateurishly in a dingy pub function room? Give players a better incentive to come along and they'll be more willing to meet the required fees.
You've been eating marketing textbooks again :P you can't design a club that appeals to everyone, it's impossible. Some players will only feel welcomed in a beery, blokey, Geordie-speaking environment. A couple clubs deliberately cultivate that. As a geeky teetotal choir boy with red trousers who spoke only English, I felt pretty out of place visiting those clubs. I started my own, in the end.
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