Full Names of 1950s Players (1956 BCF Grading List)
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Thanks to Tim for the reference to Alfred Hirsch in CHESS, August 1945, Vol.10/119, page 179. I thought it might be useful to display the entirety of this article here for the benefit of those trying to sort out the various Hirsch chess players...
The key things for would-be sleuths here are (a) (obviously) the full name Alfred Hirsch; (b) the fact that he was "born in Vienna early this century" (so 1900-1910?); (c) arrived in the UK in 1938; (c) "played board 1 for the Buckingham County Team on several occasions" (county chess comes with a rule about residential qualification so he would have to have lived there at some point); (d) occupation jeweller (but bearing in mind that newly arrived refugees might need to seek alternative temporary employment until such time that they have established themselves).
At first I was puzzled by the reference to him winning the "Major Tournament in the Eastern Congress of 1940"* but then figured it was a misprint for Easter; and A Hirsch did indeed win the London Major Tournament, played at the National Chess Centre in March 1940. It was the third in ranking order of ten all-play-alls which were held during the London Easter Congress. BCM, May 1940, p157, tells us that A Hirsch scored 8/9 ahead of (2) J Hobbs 7.5; (3-4) A J Duke, H R S Heath 5.5; (5-6) Capt. E A Beamish, A F Stammwitz 4.5; (7) A D Whyte 4; (8) S H Brocklesby 3; (9) J A Stewart 2; (10) H Fitzerman 0.5.
Then the gratitude expressed to "Mr J Jackson of Wigton and Mr A White of Bristol". Buckinghamshire, Wigton and Bristol could hardly be further apart so it looks like Hirsch has been all over the country, perhaps when interned as an alien shortly after coming to the UK. But perhaps Messrs. Jackson and White's services were conducted by post (e.g. letters of introduction to help him with his employment, etc).
I've looked into this myself but am no further forward as regards identifying the A Hirsch (Finchley) of the 1956 Grading List (incidentally, he's also in the 1961 list, once again as A Hirsch (Finchley) but having descended to the 4b grading category). There are two Bucks-resident candidates, however: one is Alfred Hirsch, residing in High Wycombe, Bucks, at the 1939 Census, occupation given as "private means - refugee". However, his d.o.b. was 23 June 1888 (single) so he falls outside the age parameters. (Not relevant to our search but a quite extraordinary, almost Plaskettian, coincidence here: the next person on the census list after this Alfred Hirsch, lodging in the same property, was my 1963/64 form master at High Wycombe Royal Grammar School, Mervyn M Davies, a delightful man of whom I have the fondest memories.) The second Bucks-resident A Hirsch (found in the internment records) was Alfred Hirsch, d.o.b. 22 April 1904, Vienna, living in Beaconsfield, Bucks, in 1939, current occupation = domestic servant, normal occupation = traveller - corn. That last detail is the problem this time, but maybe CHESS got it wrong, or else Hirsch found a new trade after the war. This Alfred Hirsch died in Newmarket, Cambridgeshire, in 1981.
The name Hirsch is more common than one might think in the UK. I've found another candidate, Albert Hirsch, who took part in the Irish Correspondence Chess Championship in 1945/46; one report of this event gave his place of residence as London. A game of his appeared in the Belfast Newsletter for 29 August 1945, losing to WJ Allen.
* edited to add the info about A Hirsch winning the 1940 London Major
The key things for would-be sleuths here are (a) (obviously) the full name Alfred Hirsch; (b) the fact that he was "born in Vienna early this century" (so 1900-1910?); (c) arrived in the UK in 1938; (c) "played board 1 for the Buckingham County Team on several occasions" (county chess comes with a rule about residential qualification so he would have to have lived there at some point); (d) occupation jeweller (but bearing in mind that newly arrived refugees might need to seek alternative temporary employment until such time that they have established themselves).
At first I was puzzled by the reference to him winning the "Major Tournament in the Eastern Congress of 1940"* but then figured it was a misprint for Easter; and A Hirsch did indeed win the London Major Tournament, played at the National Chess Centre in March 1940. It was the third in ranking order of ten all-play-alls which were held during the London Easter Congress. BCM, May 1940, p157, tells us that A Hirsch scored 8/9 ahead of (2) J Hobbs 7.5; (3-4) A J Duke, H R S Heath 5.5; (5-6) Capt. E A Beamish, A F Stammwitz 4.5; (7) A D Whyte 4; (8) S H Brocklesby 3; (9) J A Stewart 2; (10) H Fitzerman 0.5.
Then the gratitude expressed to "Mr J Jackson of Wigton and Mr A White of Bristol". Buckinghamshire, Wigton and Bristol could hardly be further apart so it looks like Hirsch has been all over the country, perhaps when interned as an alien shortly after coming to the UK. But perhaps Messrs. Jackson and White's services were conducted by post (e.g. letters of introduction to help him with his employment, etc).
I've looked into this myself but am no further forward as regards identifying the A Hirsch (Finchley) of the 1956 Grading List (incidentally, he's also in the 1961 list, once again as A Hirsch (Finchley) but having descended to the 4b grading category). There are two Bucks-resident candidates, however: one is Alfred Hirsch, residing in High Wycombe, Bucks, at the 1939 Census, occupation given as "private means - refugee". However, his d.o.b. was 23 June 1888 (single) so he falls outside the age parameters. (Not relevant to our search but a quite extraordinary, almost Plaskettian, coincidence here: the next person on the census list after this Alfred Hirsch, lodging in the same property, was my 1963/64 form master at High Wycombe Royal Grammar School, Mervyn M Davies, a delightful man of whom I have the fondest memories.) The second Bucks-resident A Hirsch (found in the internment records) was Alfred Hirsch, d.o.b. 22 April 1904, Vienna, living in Beaconsfield, Bucks, in 1939, current occupation = domestic servant, normal occupation = traveller - corn. That last detail is the problem this time, but maybe CHESS got it wrong, or else Hirsch found a new trade after the war. This Alfred Hirsch died in Newmarket, Cambridgeshire, in 1981.
The name Hirsch is more common than one might think in the UK. I've found another candidate, Albert Hirsch, who took part in the Irish Correspondence Chess Championship in 1945/46; one report of this event gave his place of residence as London. A game of his appeared in the Belfast Newsletter for 29 August 1945, losing to WJ Allen.
* edited to add the info about A Hirsch winning the 1940 London Major
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Re: Full Names of 1950s Players (1956 BCF Grading List)
Tim/Jon, you are quite correct in assuming that the R D Hirsch was the same person as was born in Berlin. He did not use his first two Christian names. He was always very keen on correspondence chess. His son was Robin, who helped me to write his obituary. Daniel was a likeable academic with a good sense of humour.
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1939 Register in Coulsdon, works at the Stock Exchange.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui- ... 3816:61596
I'm pretty sure that R G White is the Coulsdon West player Dicky White. Baptism in Coulsdon says Richard George White.
Now that I've found the above link on Ancestry, there doesn't appear to be any doubt in my mind at least.
Also, he was President of the SCCA from 1982-1990 according to the website.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui- ... 3816:61596
I'm pretty sure that R G White is the Coulsdon West player Dicky White. Baptism in Coulsdon says Richard George White.
Now that I've found the above link on Ancestry, there doesn't appear to be any doubt in my mind at least.
Also, he was President of the SCCA from 1982-1990 according to the website.
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Some background on father and son.Brian Denman wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 7:19 pmTim/Jon, you are quite correct in assuming that the R D Hirsch was the same person as was born in Berlin. He did not use his first two Christian names. He was always very keen on correspondence chess. His son was Robin, who helped me to write his obituary. Daniel was a likeable academic with a good sense of humour.
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Just to say that I've just updated the 1956 Grading List page again to incorporate the latest findings and to add a few offerings of my own (e.g. Walter James Gillies, plus a few more birth and death dates). Thanks for all the info, keep it coming.
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Bruce J McGreevy was Bruce John McGreevy (1938 - 12 Mar 2020), who later became a lecturer in chemistry at the University of Huddersfield. His obituary is here:
https://funeral-notices.co.uk/notice/mcgreevy/4850312
On Family Search:
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/perso ... s/GR2J-7VF
https://funeral-notices.co.uk/notice/mcgreevy/4850312
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A Weber (Clapham Common; 5a) is a hard nut to crack.
He also played for Surrey, Battersea and Polish YMCA (the later as late as 1988).
Perhaps one of our contributors could help us (see below)
He also played for Surrey, Battersea and Polish YMCA (the later as late as 1988).
Perhaps one of our contributors could help us (see below)
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I suspect he is Anton Weber (1919-1994). If i can find any relatives of his I shall point them to this page:Gerard Killoran wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 4:34 pmA Weber (Clapham Common; 5a) is a hard nut to crack.
https://www.hertfordshiremercury.co.uk/ ... es-7175081
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F. Whitham must be:
Name Frank Whitham
Gender Male
Marital Status Married
Birth Date 15 Sep 1900
Residence Date 1939
Address 1a Commercial Street
Residence Place Bacup, Lancashire, England
Occupation Manager Grocery Branch
Bacup is close to Rawtenstall
From Burnley Express - Wednesday 21 November 1945 p.3
CHESS
Burnley scored their first win of the season on Saturday when they beat Rawtenstall by 8—2. The results were as follows:—H. B. Creeke 0, F. Whitham 1; H. P. Evans 1, H. Cox 0; D. Hewitt 1, J. S. Hardman 0; A. E. Farrow 1. E, Harrison 0; J. Hamilton 1, E. Hoare 0; E. Samworth 1, G. Crabtree 0; H. Pollard 1, J. H. Rees 0; H. R. Lever 1, W. Bancraft 0; J. Rycroft 1. W. Frankland 0; W Smith 0. W. Barker 1.
Name Frank Whitham
Gender Male
Marital Status Married
Birth Date 15 Sep 1900
Residence Date 1939
Address 1a Commercial Street
Residence Place Bacup, Lancashire, England
Occupation Manager Grocery Branch
Bacup is close to Rawtenstall
From Burnley Express - Wednesday 21 November 1945 p.3
CHESS
Burnley scored their first win of the season on Saturday when they beat Rawtenstall by 8—2. The results were as follows:—H. B. Creeke 0, F. Whitham 1; H. P. Evans 1, H. Cox 0; D. Hewitt 1, J. S. Hardman 0; A. E. Farrow 1. E, Harrison 0; J. Hamilton 1, E. Hoare 0; E. Samworth 1, G. Crabtree 0; H. Pollard 1, J. H. Rees 0; H. R. Lever 1, W. Bancraft 0; J. Rycroft 1. W. Frankland 0; W Smith 0. W. Barker 1.
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A History of the Metropolitan Club can be found here:
https://nlcchess.net/wp-content/uploads ... 0-1990.pdf
J. A. Moore appears frequently, but there are no clues to his first names.
There is, however,an intriguing snippet re the mysterious Mr Levin...
https://nlcchess.net/wp-content/uploads ... 0-1990.pdf
J. A. Moore appears frequently, but there are no clues to his first names.
There is, however,an intriguing snippet re the mysterious Mr Levin...
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There's another sighting of the middle initial here, which leads me to conclude he is no other than...
http://mannchess.org.uk/People/Levin,JohnL.htm
http://mannchess.org.uk/People/Levin,JohnL.htm
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That looks like him Gerard!Gerard Killoran wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 7:31 pmThere's another sighting of the middle initial here, which leads me to conclude he is no other than...
http://mannchess.org.uk/People/Levin,JohnL.htm
It's possible to fill in a few gaps from that page:
1) John L Levin's wife's name is recorded as Maude Wigglesworth rather than Maud Winterbirn in freebmd. Perhaps that wasn't her first marriage and the author of the Yorkshire Chess History site knows her maiden name was Winterbirn? Alternatively there may have been a mistake on freebmd when he looked.
2) Jennie Levin married Fritz Scheidt in 1946 but Fritz anglicised his name to Frank Skyte (perhaps he got fed up with people calling him Fritz Shite). He died at the age of 41 in 1954. Jennie's death was registered (as Jennie Skyte) in York in 2000.
3) There seem to have been twin boys born of Jennie and Fritz's marriage in 1948 - Eric B Skyte and Stuart R Skyte. I think they're both alive and one of them lives near me! If I can avoid seeming too creepy I may contact him and see if he knows anything about his uncle's chess career.
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Well done Jon.
J. S. Parker seems have been a senior civil servant at the Board of Trade. That's all I've got for now.
UPDATE: J.S. Parker was at Manchester Grammar School in 1929 and played for the school team in the Manchester D League. By 1932 he was playing for Old Mancunians in the A League. He remained active in Manchester chess and played for Lancashire up to the outbreak of war.
J. S. Parker seems have been a senior civil servant at the Board of Trade. That's all I've got for now.
UPDATE: J.S. Parker was at Manchester Grammar School in 1929 and played for the school team in the Manchester D League. By 1932 he was playing for Old Mancunians in the A League. He remained active in Manchester chess and played for Lancashire up to the outbreak of war.
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By the end of the war Parker was still in Manchester but had a military rank.
Then by 1949 Parker was in London, playing for Wimbledon. The Western Morning News - Saturday 22 October 1949 p.3 has a game of his where he beats Brian Reilly of Clapham Common in a London League match in 25 moves.The same newspaper has another of his games played in the Civil Service championship of 1950, this time losing to the eventual champion, N. A. Perkins. (Western Morning News - Saturday 20 May 1950 p.3)
Are these enough clues for you all?
Then by 1949 Parker was in London, playing for Wimbledon. The Western Morning News - Saturday 22 October 1949 p.3 has a game of his where he beats Brian Reilly of Clapham Common in a London League match in 25 moves.The same newspaper has another of his games played in the Civil Service championship of 1950, this time losing to the eventual champion, N. A. Perkins. (Western Morning News - Saturday 20 May 1950 p.3)
Are these enough clues for you all?
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I guess if J S Parker was at grammar school in 1929 then he would have been born sometime between 1911 and 1918.
The most obvious candidate is John Stanley Parker, whose birth was registered in Manchester in Q4 1911. However there are four other J S Parkers whose births were registered in Lancashire between 1911 and 1919.
The most obvious candidate is John Stanley Parker, whose birth was registered in Manchester in Q4 1911. However there are four other J S Parkers whose births were registered in Lancashire between 1911 and 1919.