Golmayo vs Sultan Khan 1930

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Re: Golmayo vs Sultan Khan 1930

Post by John McKenna » Tue May 26, 2020 4:21 pm

Only too true, Alex, as I could have seen if I'd followed my nose and looked at -

http://www.olimpbase.org/1931/1931fa.html

19 rounds it was!

Thanks for tidying up the loose ends I leave lazing about here and there - in the "Arbitration question" thread, in particular, where you (almost) got us out of another fine mess.

Matt, thanks for pointing to my error in the first place.
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Re: Golmayo vs Sultan Khan 1930

Post by Tim Harding » Tue May 26, 2020 5:14 pm

Gerard Killoran wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 8:51 pm
There seems to be more in ...

Sicilian: lines with ... e5
T. D. Harding, P. R. Markland
B.T. Batsford, 1982


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I wonder if Tim has the rest of the game.
Sorry, no. Senor Mendez asked me about this game three weeks ago but since he did not mention the opening moves there was no reason to look in my old books.

The exact same information as quoted above was in the first (1976) edition and must have been found by me somewhere in Bob Wade's huge library during 1975 or thereabouts.
It's a bit much to expect that I would retain notes or index cards from 45 years ago through numerous changes of residence; this was way before the computer era.
The fact that the total number of moves was stated does suggest the whole game was in fact published somewhere, but I have no idea where.

The Gawlikowski book on chess olympiads includes one game by Golmayo from the 1930 olympiad; unsurprisingly, it is the one against the Polish player.

BTW, reading this thread only today I see that a certain Latvian master is mentioned but the reason why seems to be missing after somebody amended an earlier posting? I wrote about Hermanis K. Matisons in number 30 of my Kibitzer series back in 1978 after acquiring a copy of the book about him, "Pari Savam Laikmetam" (by V. Kirilovs, published by Sahs of Riga in 1994) while I was in Riga for the ICCF Congress. He didn't play the 1930 olympiad.
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Re: Golmayo vs Sultan Khan 1930

Post by JustinHorton » Tue May 26, 2020 5:24 pm

Also no sign of the game in Földeák's Chess Olympiads (Corvina, 1966) which only has one of Golmayo's games (a loss against Havasi).
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Re: Golmayo vs Sultan Khan 1930

Post by NickFaulks » Tue May 26, 2020 6:11 pm

Alex McFarlane wrote:
Tue May 26, 2020 3:55 pm
The idea of triangular matches a la 4NCL was not used!! :D
But I bet Stewart was telling them that it should have been.
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Re: Golmayo vs Sultan Khan 1930

Post by John McKenna » Tue May 26, 2020 6:18 pm

Yes, Nick, Stewart has always been a man ahead of his time.

Tim, many thanks for your clarification.

Some confusion arose about an entry in the Manchester Guardian, see below. It was about a game Golmayo lost to "Mattison" (H. Matisons in fact) but it was played in 1924 (World Amateur Ch?) and not in round 5 of the 1930 Hamburg Ol. (As you rightly say, H. Matisons did NOT play in the 1930 Hamburg Olympiad and Golmayo missed the first 7 rounds.) That's what was corrected.
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Sorry, I got my wires crossed somewhere. The Golmayo ref I found in the Guardian was to an Olympic contest in July 1924, not July 1930. I'll edit what I wrote above.
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Re: Golmayo vs Sultan Khan 1930

Post by Luis Mendez » Wed May 27, 2020 12:09 pm

Thanks so much for your post in this topic. I am very impressive for your erudite opinions.

In return I going to explain some considerations.

My question in the first post is linked directly with the research and gathering about the chess career of Manuel Golmayo de la Torriente. I am currently writing, in collaboration with my twin brother Pedro, the Golmayo's chess biography.

Our aim is write an exhaustive work gathering all information about this great Spanish champion. In this way we are digging in the chess columns in Spanish and European newspaper archives. Besides we would like to be much more rigorous, to quoted the sources of chess games, that in our precedent book "The Gijón International Chess Tournaments (1944-1965)".

Regarding Golmayo vs Sultan Khan, these players faced two times (Hamburg 1930 and Prague 1931). In both cases I didn't know the games. I asked Mr Hardin and Mr King about it and Daniel King sent me the part-game quoted in his book.

Currently we are researching the activities of Golmayo in 1930 and we have found interesting information. For instance, in Hamburg 1930, Golmayo arrived to tournament the 18th July at 6 am from Spain by train. Those day had double round and Spain faced Denmark on the morning and Great Britain on the afternoon. Golmayo which was very tired, played the afternoon round.

I hope to find more information next days. I goin to visit the Pablo Moran library that has a book about Prague 1931.

By the way, If anybody has the Harding's book (Sicilian...e5), will be interesting to know the part-game that appear in it.

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Re: Golmayo vs Sultan Khan 1930

Post by Roger de Coverly » Wed May 27, 2020 12:18 pm

Tim Harding wrote:
Tue May 26, 2020 5:14 pm
The exact same information as quoted above was in the first (1976) edition and must have been found by me somewhere in Bob Wade's huge library during 1975 or thereabouts.
Bob Wade's collection eventually formed part of the ECF's National Chess Library. There was a catalogue, a link to which may have been posted on this forum. This identified which material came from where in the collection. That would seem to potentially narrow down the source a bit either to material about the Olympiad or earlier works about .. e5 ideas in the Sicilian.

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Re: Golmayo vs Sultan Khan 1930

Post by Mike Alderson » Wed May 27, 2020 11:30 pm

The moves given in the 1976 edition of Tim's book are 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 d4 cd 4 Nxd4 e5 5 Nb3 Nf6 6 Bc4 d6 7 Nc3 Be6 8 Bd5 Be7 9 0-0 0-0 10 Be3 Qd7 11 Qd2 Nb4 and now a typo 12 c3 which I guess was a descriptive to algebraic error and should be 12 f3 Rfc8 13 a3 Nbxd5 14 ed Bf5 15 Rac1 Bg6 16 Qe2 Ne8 17 g4 (given a ?!) f5 18 Nd2 Nf6 (0-1, 49) Golmayo- Sultan Khan, Hamburg 1930.

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Re: Golmayo vs Sultan Khan 1930

Post by Luis Mendez » Thu May 28, 2020 10:43 am

Mr. Alderson, thank you for writing this post with the part-game Golmayo - S. Khan.

We can say that we already know a little more about the history of Spanish and British chess.

I have consulted the book "Die Schacholympiade von Hamburg" by Chalupetzky" and there is no game Golmayo vs Sultan Khan.
This book has 150 games, including 4 from Golmayo.

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Re: Golmayo vs Sultan Khan 1930

Post by John McKenna » Fri May 29, 2020 7:59 am

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 12:18 pm
Tim Harding wrote:
Tue May 26, 2020 5:14 pm
The exact same information as quoted above was in the first (1976) edition and must have been found by me somewhere in Bob Wade's huge library during 1975 or thereabouts.
Bob Wade's collection eventually formed part of the ECF's National Chess Library. There was a catalogue, a link to which may have been posted on this forum. This identified which material came from where in the collection. That would seem to potentially narrow down the source a bit either to material about the Olympiad or earlier works about .. e5 ideas in the Sicilian.
This old post may contain the link to the catalogue referred to above -

viewtopic.php?f=25&t=7429&start=60#p196734

Unfortunately I have nothing new to add but live in hope that more moves of more of the games of Manuel Golmayo and Mir Sultan Khan will come to light.

Perhaps in a similar way to this previous example -

viewtopic.php?f=27&t=9335&p=206782&hili ... an#p206815
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Re: Golmayo vs Sultan Khan 1930

Post by Gerard Killoran » Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:42 am

In this photograph, Sultan Khan has unleashed the Fried Liver Attack on the poor elderly gentleman on the bottom right.

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Facing Alekhine at London 1932

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Re: Golmayo vs Sultan Khan 1930

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:27 pm

Wow that's impressive! Thanks Gerard.

I find myself wondering about all those medals worn by the boss, Sir Malik Hayat Khan - this gives a hint https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malik_Umar_Hayat_Khan but I can't identify everything.

In the second photo, Alekhine has the demeanour of a man wondering where the drinks waiter is. And aren't the crowd close?!

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