Anglo-Dutch Match 1975

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Re: Anglo-Dutch Match 1975

Post by John Saunders » Sun Aug 09, 2020 11:33 am

John Saunders wrote:
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I checked StarBase 4.56 (often a source of obscure games) and drew a blank...
CORRECTION: I checked Starbase 4.56 again and found both of Mike Basman's losses to Ligterink on board 4...



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Re: Anglo-Dutch Match 1975

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Sun Aug 09, 2020 12:26 pm

I assume Mike handicapped himself by playing weird openings.1.e4? - what's that about?

"So actually there was quite a lot of team chess going on, and perhaps that explains why the traditional Anglo-Dutch match got such poor media coverage and a non-optimal line-up of players."

Yes - good point. Not like the good old days where the Times reported the results of the London Civil Service League's Bonar Law Cup Final (KO event) the next day with individual scores as well as the team scores.

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Re: Anglo-Dutch Match 1975

Post by Roger de Coverly » Sun Aug 09, 2020 12:41 pm

Kevin Thurlow wrote:
Sun Aug 09, 2020 12:26 pm
I assume Mike handicapped himself by playing weird openings.1.e4? - what's that about?
Don't you remember that totally mad game against Michael Stean at Hastings? That started 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. Be2. Stean snapped up the e pawn when Basman seemingly left it en prise, but after a couple of pawn sacrifices was left busted. There now an established anti-Sicilian move order which runs 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. c3 Nf6 4. h3 . Reasons why Black doesn't snatch the e pawn are tactically very similar to the Basman-Stean game.

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Re: Anglo-Dutch Match 1975

Post by John Upham » Sun Aug 09, 2020 1:05 pm

Kevin Thurlow wrote:
Sun Aug 09, 2020 12:26 pm
I assume Mike handicapped himself by playing weird openings.1.e4? - what's that about?
1975 was too early to witness MJB's g-file era.

Mike's first significant outing with 1.g4 was in 1979 versus Colin Crouch at the Lloyds Bank Open. No doubt g4 had leaked out earlier in less important games.

Likewise for 1.b4

1990 saw the unveiling of 1.h3 and Colm Daly was the victim of 1.h3 b6 2. a3 aka "The Global"

Meanwhile, on the other side of the board, 1..g5 appeared against the unfortunate Mark Ginsburg also in 1979.

1..h6 had to wait a further two years in 1981.

I have analysed astronomical events for 1979 hoping to find something significant that might have influenced Mike.

There was a total solar eclipse on February 26th, 1979 and also 24 May – Thorpe Park at Chertsey in Surrey is opened; it becomes one of the top three most popular theme parks in the country and round the corner from 7 Billockby Close.

Possibly is was this : April 27 – Ozzy Osbourne is fired as lead singer of Black Sabbath. He is replaced in May by Ronnie James Dio.

I need to ask Mike himself.
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Re: Anglo-Dutch Match 1975

Post by Mike Gunn » Sun Aug 09, 2020 1:29 pm

The 2nd game in Mike Basman's "Killer Grob"(Pergamon, 1991) is Basman 1-0 Nunn played in Oxford, October 1978.

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Re: Anglo-Dutch Match 1975

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Sun Aug 09, 2020 1:45 pm

"I have analysed astronomical events for 1979 hoping to find something significant that might have influenced Mike."

Jerry Lee Lewis released arguably his finest album in 1979.

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Re: Anglo-Dutch Match 1975

Post by John Upham » Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:52 pm

Thanks to the good offices of Gerard Welling and James Pratt we have recovered (from Paul van der Sterren) the pgns of the games between John Pigott and Paul van der Sterren as follows :




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Re: Anglo-Dutch Match 1975

Post by Tim Harding » Sun Aug 09, 2020 3:45 pm

I think I wrote a report of the match for CHESS but I don't have a copy. I was there on one of the days anyway and I do recall Keene being crushed in the QG Chigorin game.
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Re: Anglo-Dutch Match 1975

Post by John Saunders » Sun Aug 09, 2020 6:29 pm

Tim Harding wrote:
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I think I wrote a report of the match for CHESS but I don't have a copy. I was there on one of the days anyway and I do recall Keene being crushed in the QG Chigorin game.
I scanned CHESS magazines from October 1975 onwards for quite a few months and found nothing. There was nothing in the index either.
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Re: Anglo-Dutch Match 1975

Post by John Moore » Sun Aug 09, 2020 6:48 pm

Wasn't the Keene Chigorin loss in an earlier Netherlands-England match

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Re: Anglo-Dutch Match 1975

Post by Tim Harding » Sun Aug 09, 2020 7:46 pm

John Moore wrote:
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Wasn't the Keene Chigorin loss in an earlier Netherlands-England match
Yes that must have been the one.
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Re: Anglo-Dutch Match 1975

Post by MJMcCready » Thu Aug 13, 2020 10:22 am

John Saunders wrote:
Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:41 am
This match was reported in The Times of 27 October 1975, page 2. And it was Simon (and not Roger) Webb who played.

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Amusingly, The Times seems to have anticipated their famous misspelling of 'Speelman' as 'Specimen' in this report. Or very nearly. The more famous (and clearer) example of this was published in The Times on 15 December 1981.
So who was the match between? England and Holland or England and The Netherlands?

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Re: Anglo-Dutch Match 1975

Post by John Moore » Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:21 pm

All of the posts refer to The Netherlands so I am not sure what point you are trying to make.

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Re: Anglo-Dutch Match 1975

Post by MJMcCready » Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:24 pm

The newspaper article attached.

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Re: Anglo-Dutch Match 1975

Post by John Upham » Thu Aug 13, 2020 3:11 pm

MJMcCready wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:24 pm
The newspaper article attached.

I suspect that most are aware that Holland refers to two of the twelve provinces of The Netherlands.

These are Noord-Holland and Zuid-Holland.

Possibly, football fans would more likely refer to Holland than The Netherlands and I'm confident Harry Golombek would have known that also.

Maybe Harry's editor changed it to Holland to save type in terms of composition?

(This reminds of the constant erroneous use of Union Jack rather than Union Flag).
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