Britbase Updates

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Re: Britbase Updates

Post by Gerard Killoran » Fri Sep 16, 2022 10:48 am

The competiton for the MCCU County Championship turned into a bit of a marathon, with three draws and Leicestershire beating Staffordshire in the third replay. The first replay was not without controversy as the Leicestershire team seemed to be unaware they could lose on time. How could this be possible?

Staffordshire Sentinel - Monday 14 April 1902.png



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Re: Britbase Updates

Post by Gerard Killoran » Wed Oct 12, 2022 8:08 pm

Odds and ends











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Re: Britbase Updates

Post by John Saunders » Thu Oct 13, 2022 5:53 pm

Gerard Killoran wrote:
Wed Oct 12, 2022 8:08 pm
Odds and ends

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Many thanks for these games, Gerard, plus the ones you have posted here over the past month. I've now added them to BritBase.
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Re: Britbase Updates

Post by Gerard Killoran » Mon Oct 17, 2022 10:07 pm

From the under 15s at Whitby 1962 where a young Bill Hartston gets taken down in style:




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Re: Britbase Updates

Post by John Townsend » Tue Oct 18, 2022 8:45 am

I assume it is the same Ron Moss who in the 1970s played for ICL, based at Bracknell.

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Post by John Saunders » Tue Oct 18, 2022 10:37 am

The Moss-Hartston and Patterson-Moss games are already on BritBase. Andy Ansel sent me Moss-Hartston which he found in Junior Chess, December 1962, while I think I must have sourced Patterson-Moss from chessgames dot com myself.

It was indeed the same Ron Moss who played for ICL Bracknell. There was some discussion of this here 12 years ago when we were researching British champions' names - viewtopic.php?f=27&t=2129&p=38344&hilit ... oss#p38376
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Re: Britbase Updates

Post by John Clarke » Wed Oct 19, 2022 10:10 am

I remember that Moss-Hartston game from its publication in Junior Chess. The editors gave Black's 10th move a "!" (and Stockfish agrees it's best). White's reply, deciding to mix it (justified by the game's outcome) rather than submit to loss of a P and/or an inferior position, got the brief comment "Moss must win this game to win the title!" Black had the edge until his 12th, which turned a -1.9 advantage into a +2.3 for White. Moss let some of it slip at one point, but Hartston's 14. ... Kf8? (Ke7 better) was the final ruination.
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Re: Britbase Updates

Post by Gerard Killoran » Wed Oct 19, 2022 2:38 pm

John Saunders wrote:
Tue Oct 18, 2022 10:37 am
The Moss-Hartston and Patterson-Moss games are already on BritBase. Andy Ansel sent me Moss-Hartston which he found in Junior Chess, December 1962, while I think I must have sourced Patterson-Moss from chessgames dot com myself.

It was indeed the same Ron Moss who played for ICL Bracknell. There was some discussion of this here 12 years ago when we were researching British champions' names - viewtopic.php?f=27&t=2129&p=38344&hilit ... oss#p38376
Apologies. I scrolled down the games and assumed that the u15s would be after the u18s, so I missed them.

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Re: Britbase Updates

Post by David McAlister » Wed Oct 19, 2022 3:49 pm

John Saunders wrote:
Tue Oct 18, 2022 10:37 am
The Moss-Hartston and Patterson-Moss games are already on BritBase. Andy Ansel sent me Moss-Hartston which he found in Junior Chess, December 1962, while I think I must have sourced Patterson-Moss from chessgames dot com myself.
The Patterson-Moss game is to be found at page 376 of Chess, Volume 27.

It is sandwiched between 2 games from the British Junior (Under 21 Championship, namely Boyers-Feavyour and Richardson-Mabbs - both already in Britbase. However, the latter ends with "32. Rxh8 and wins" while the game score in Chess goes all the way to Black's resignation on move 41 - and it also starts differently with 1.d4 e6 2.e4 d5.


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Re: Britbase Updates

Post by John Saunders » Wed Oct 19, 2022 5:36 pm

Gerard Killoran wrote:
Wed Oct 19, 2022 2:38 pm

Apologies. I scrolled down the games and assumed that the u15s would be after the u18s, so I missed them.
My fault, Gerard - I should have placed the games in a more logical order. Now amended and sources updated...
David McAlister wrote:
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The Patterson-Moss game is to be found at page 376 of Chess, Volume 27.

It is sandwiched between 2 games from the British Junior (Under 21 Championship, namely Boyers-Feavyour and Richardson-Mabbs - both already in Britbase. However, the latter ends with "32. Rxh8 and wins" while the game score in Chess goes all the way to Black's resignation on move 41 - and it also starts differently with 1.d4 e6 2.e4 d5.

Many thanks for those extra moves, David. I have now added them to what appears on BritBase. When I was making the amendment, I was struck by how bizarre some of them seemed, e.g. 36 Qd7+ (instead of skewering the queen with 36 Rg8+) and even more so, Black playing 39...Qf4 as if the capture of the queen led to stalemate, but this strange play was perhaps explained by the note given in CHESS after Black's 30th move:
CHESS, September 1962, Vol.27, no.416-7, p376 wrote:Now Richardson's clock, as customary, had its flag trembling with only seconds for his next ten moves. Mabbs has a theory that it takes longer to make captures than ordinary moves...
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Re: Britbase Updates

Post by Gerard Killoran » Mon Oct 24, 2022 9:58 pm

Fingers crossed...




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Re: Britbase Updates

Post by John Saunders » Tue Oct 25, 2022 10:16 am

Two excellent additions to the BritBase collection. Many thanks, Gerard.
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Re: Britbase Updates

Post by Gerard Killoran » Wed Nov 02, 2022 1:54 pm

The chess column of the Crewe Chronicle, Saturday 29 September 1962 began thus...
CHESS FOR ALL (By G. CHESTERS) RECENTLY I posed the question, "How strong is the Major Open?" No answer was attempted, nor will one be givIen below. A selection of short games, however might as a whole. It must be remembered that the top and bottom players in this tournament varied greatly in playing strength.
...the answer seems to be, not very.

Also, Fridolin Jaeck's games do not tally with the cross-table.










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Re: Britbase Updates

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Wed Nov 02, 2022 3:39 pm

John Toothill was a *much* better player than that game might suggest to the uninitiated, but we all have bad days.
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Re: Britbase Updates

Post by John Upham » Wed Nov 02, 2022 3:44 pm

John Townsend wrote:
Tue Oct 18, 2022 8:45 am
I assume it is the same Ron Moss who in the 1970s played for ICL, based at Bracknell.
I did hear a rather troubling and sad story of how Ron spent the final times of his life on his settee.

I was told that he had failed to look after himself, lived alone, became morbidly obese and passed away in horrible circumstances and was not discovered for some days.

A rather familiar story I suppose.
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