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Re: Paul Keres

Post by Gavin Strachan » Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:37 am

I don't care as long as they are wearing that t-shirt.

so instead of pony and monkey you could have a Nigel or a Mickey?!
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Re: Paul Keres

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:10 pm

Hmmm Warren, Russia is a huge and powerful country with a vast history. They have a few more famous people to choose from than Estonia, tbh :)

And Keres is to the Estonians more than a chess player, but a national icon - a symbol of the unfairness they see themselves as suffering during the Soviet years. His massively attended 1975 funeral in Tallinn became one of the earliest expressions of suppressed Estonian nationalism - the (then, of course, banned) national flag was much in evidence, and the authorities did not dare to intervene.
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Re: Paul Keres

Post by Dan O'Dowd » Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:40 pm

Warren Kingston wrote:Paul Keres is the only chess player to be on a banknote, according to Wikipedia anyway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Keres

I would have thought the Russian players would have been all over theirs!!

Who should be on ours then?
Logically I would choose either Howard Staunton or Nigel Short, though as Britain's first official Grandmaster, Tony Miles would be another sound choice.

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Re: Paul Keres

Post by Mick Norris » Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:46 pm

Warren Kingston wrote:Paul Keres is the only chess player to be on a banknote, according to Wikipedia anyway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Keres

I would have thought the Russian players would have been all over theirs!!

Who should be on ours then, as a side question?
CJ in his T-shirt :lol:
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Re: Paul Keres

Post by Jon D'Souza-Eva » Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:25 pm

Dan O'Dowd wrote:Logically I would choose ... Nigel Short
People would complain about being Short changed.

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Re: Paul Keres

Post by Gavin Strachan » Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:07 pm

I am hoping I do not do what Keres did at the end of his life. His tournament results were pretty bad at the end of his playing days and then in his last tournament in Canada he had a storming result winning it really well. On the way back home he had a heart attack and died. Now currently this season I am having a bit of a shocker (not a major disaster).....

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Re: Paul Keres

Post by Geoff Chandler » Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:46 pm

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Re: Paul Keres

Post by Peter Turner » Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:49 pm

Brilliant, I wonder what the note would be know as?

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Re: Paul Keres

Post by Gavin Strachan » Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:30 pm

A (Scottish) pound. Never really accepted in England even though it is legal.

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Re: Paul Keres

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:19 pm

Gavin Strachan wrote:I am hoping I do not do what Keres did at the end of his life. His tournament results were pretty bad at the end of his playing days and then in his last tournament in Canada he had a storming result winning it really well. On the way back home he had a heart attack and died. Now currently this season I am having a bit of a shocker (not a major disaster).....
To be strictly accurate, his results tailed off badly in 1973. After that he decided to play much less for a while, and in 1974 only took part in a few internal Soviet matches. He returned to tournament chess in his home town tourney of Tallinn the following year, and won it without losing a game (ahead of Olafsson, Spassky, Bronstein, Hort et al) following this up with his triumph at Vancouver (again unbeaten, beating Browne hollow with the Black pieces in the penultimate round)

His death was completely unexpected :(
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Re: Paul Keres

Post by AustinElliott » Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:49 pm

Hmmm. Only surprised Geoff Chandler managed NOT to make it a nine-bob note.

On Keres, Estonia and the Soviet Union, I like the story that gets quoted, apparently from a Keres obituary by Harry Golombek in The Times, about the oft anthologised Keres-Å ajtar game at the 1954 Olympiad (a famous early example of a Be6: sac in the Sicilian):
"At Amsterdam in 1954 [Keres] scored 96.4% on fourth board and won another game so brilliant against Å ajtar of Czechoslovakia that the Soviet non-playing captain, Kotov, told me that it was 'a true Soviet game.' I told this to Keres who, with the nearest approach to acerbity I ever saw him show, said: 'No, it was a true Estonian game.'"

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Re: Paul Keres

Post by John Clarke » Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:37 am

Peter Turner wrote:Brilliant, I wonder what the note would be know as?
A monkey? Nah, a monkey's five 'undred quid, innit? Anyway, it isn't green.
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Re: Paul Keres

Post by George Szaszvari » Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:29 pm

John Clarke wrote:
Peter Turner wrote:Brilliant, I wonder what the note would be know as?
A monkey? Nah, a monkey's five 'undred quid, innit? Anyway, it isn't green.
Cor, blimey, mate, ain't 'eard (or seen) the 'ometown vernacular fer quite erwhoile.. flippin' 'ell. Ta, mate, for the
bit o' nostalghia. :wink:

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Re: Paul Keres

Post by George Szaszvari » Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:24 am

Warren Kingston wrote:
Jon D'Souza-Eva wrote:
Dan O'Dowd wrote:Logically I would choose ... Nigel Short
People would complain about being Short changed.
Funny Jon
And for more fun here is a DIY competition playing around with money pics...

http://www.freakingnews.com/Money-Celeb ... --1773.asp

Couldn't find any chess references on other currencies, even if chess players are often depicted on stamps
(can't stamps be used as currency up to a point?)

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Re: Paul Keres

Post by George Szaszvari » Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:04 am

Warren Kingston wrote:And for more fun here is a DIY competition playing around with money pics...

http://www.freakingnews.com/Money-Celeb ... --1773.asp

Couldn't find any chess references on other currencies, even if chess players are often depicted on stamps
(can't stamps be used as currency up to a point?)


How the hell do you find these sites?
Using search engines with various parameters like "celebrity depicted on currency"
Warren Kingston wrote: Very funny, esp Julia Roberts, bloody scary. Also funny how it can go from Paul Keres to Julia Roberts in a split second
Yeah, the Julia thing does look like a Halloween shocker, and the multitude of ways to go astray off topic in these endless
mazes of threads, topics and info can get pretty scary, too!

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