Re: Sir George Alan Thomas
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 6:14 pm
That game with Alekhine was the only win Keres ever had against him in serious play
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This is a great example of how historical research works. I found one contemporary report - which was possibly inaccurate. A real chess historian has now quoted other sources to challenge a detail of my version of events. If proved wrong I will amend that detail. Getting the small details right is a guarantee of getting the big details right too. It is also a warning about reliance on a single source e.g. Olga Capablanca.Tim Harding wrote:1. Though somebody else found a source (Hampshire Telegraph, 25 April 1896) which gives the Lasker-Thomas simul game and says it was played "on Saturday", I note that other newspapers included in the British Newspaper Archive also mention the simul.O.G. Urcan wrote:I'd like to make some points about various issues in this discussion:
1. The Lasker vs Thomas game is in K. Whyld's 1998 book on Lasker, with a slightly different date: 17, not 18, April 1896.
2. On 5 January Tryfon Gavriel referred to Capablanca's "3rd wife". He was married twice.
3. It's good to see so much scepticism being expressed here about the chessgames.com site.
- Olimpiu G. Urcan
The Standard, Monday 20 April, says that Lasker gave a 28-board simul on the evening of Friday 17, at the Victoria Hall, Criterion, scoring 20 wins. 2 losses and 6 draws. Opponents' names are not mentioned but it's unlikely he gave another simul there the next day. So from this it seems likely Whyld was right. We need another reliable primary source to determine which is the right date. Unfortunately I don't have access at home to BCM etc for that year but maybe somebody else would like to check.
The Belfast News-letter, 23 April, also says Lasker's simul was on the Friday.
The Newcastle Courant, 25 April, gives more details but neglected to state the date of the simul. However various references to times in the evening point to Friday as a Saturday event might have been played earlier in the day.
The Saturday is a less plausible date because various reports show that on the 18th the City of London Club had a match over 19 boards, so Lasker would have deprived himself of one source of opponents had he chosen that day.
2. Personally I have not researched Capablanca but I tend to believe Mr. Urcan here. Chapter and verse anyone?
3. I agree. It seems that Mr Gavriel is in a minority of almost only one on this site in defending the indefensible. Look at chessgames.com for "infotainment" if you must but give it zero credence for historical source value.
I'd be inclined to suggest that Black finds ways to improve his position before forcing the win of the Bishop. So a move 43 that isn't c1=Q. I don't think White can do anything constructive while the pawn sits on c2. Finding a strong square for the Black King comes into consideration.Geoff Chandler wrote: Here White to play. Tarrasch has just played 38...Qb2-b5
38...Qb5 lets the miserable b1 Bishop out onto a2 and the variation giving by Tarrasch
was something I was looking forward to showing.
That is so unclear. I cannot find the clockwork win I like (must) show my readers.
I'm not certain I understand what purpose is served by the adverb completely in Olimpiu's text, some of what Leonard wrote is incontestably true. I presume Olimpiu is trying to say he believes this story of Stalin hiding behind a curtain. Certainly, nobody, as far as I can see, disputes that Edward Winter conscientiously recorded what he was given by Olga Capablanca.O.G. Urcan wrote:I completely disagree. While it is no secret that oral history type of accounts require much care, I think Mr Winter's handling of the material he obtained (from a direct - and important - source) was faultless.Leonard Barden wrote:There is no evidence that Stalin personally cared about or played chess. As for his friendship with Krylenko, that didn't prevent K being purged and shot in 1938. The Stalin hiding behind a curtain to watch the games story remains a fiction of Olga Capablanca, for whom Winter seems to have a soft spot. As for other Russians throwing games to Botvinnik, Moscow 1935 was just as important as Moscow 1936 and there Botvinnik lost twice to compatriots, Kan and Bogatyrchuk.