Chess history trivia

Historical knowledge and information regarding our great game.
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IM Jack Rudd
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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Thu Feb 02, 2023 6:00 pm

Andersson, surely? Anderssen was long dead by then.

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by MJMcCready » Wed Feb 08, 2023 3:57 am

Yep, typo on my part.

Here's where the info comes from.

http://www.olimpbase.org/1976/1976in.html#trivia

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by John Townsend » Wed Feb 22, 2023 11:22 am

Which top French player was tried for owning snuff and cigars of foreign manufacture?

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Geoff Chandler » Wed Feb 22, 2023 12:42 pm

Snuff!

Must be one of the older generation, La Bourdonnais, Philidor, Saint-Amant, Legall...(I've run our of 17th and 18th century French players....Napoleon!)

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by John Townsend » Wed Feb 22, 2023 1:47 pm

Each forumite is allowed one guess.

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Geoff Chandler » Wed Feb 22, 2023 2:05 pm

One Guess. So it must be one of them. I'll work it out logically.

Not Legall, to much of a coincidence, Legall being illegal.
Not Phildor, too busy composing music, playing blindfold chess and worrying about pawn formations.
Not La Bourdonnais cannot remember any reports of him pipe smoking or snuffing.
So it must be Saint-Amant - and he was grassed up to the authorities by Staunton.

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by John Townsend » Wed Feb 22, 2023 2:51 pm

You shouldn't assume it is one of those five. I was merely establishing the (desirable) principle of one guess per person.

Anyway, it wasn't Saint-Amant.

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Colin Patterson » Wed Feb 22, 2023 6:25 pm

I'm thinking a fair bit of obscure trivia would be known about Duchamp, so he would be my guess.

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by John Townsend » Wed Feb 22, 2023 6:47 pm

Sorry, Colin, but it wasn't Duchamp. Incidentally, while we are on the subject, there is a good article by Edward Winter, Marcel Duchamp and Chess:

https://www.chesshistory.com/winter/extra/duchamp.html

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Wed Feb 22, 2023 8:53 pm

I think Louis XV banned import of snuff, but I have no idea if the ban were ever repealed. Anyway, having decided not to say Alireza, how about Alekhine as a wild guess.

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Gerard Killoran » Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:16 pm

From The London Magazine - Volume 2 - Page 97 (1825)

...I retain a more vivid recollection than M. de Legalle; he was a thin, pale old gentleman, who had sat in the same seat at the Café, and worn the same green coat for a great number of years when I first visited Paris. While he played at chess, he took snuff in such profusion that his chitterling frill was literally saturated with stray particles of the powder...

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by John Townsend » Thu Feb 23, 2023 7:25 am

Sorry, Kevin, but not Alekhine.

I see from Gerard's quote that Legalle was a snuff-taker, but he is not the one who was put on trial.

To give a clue, the trial was not long after the Staunton v. Saint-Amant match in Paris.

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by John Clarke » Thu Feb 23, 2023 8:31 am

Well I'll try Deschapelles. He was still alive at the time of the 1843 match, and just the sort of contrarian character who'd have decided the rules didn't (or shouldn't) apply to him.
"The chess-board is the world ..... the player on the other side is hidden from us ..... he never overlooks a mistake, or makes the smallest allowance for ignorance."
(He doesn't let you resign and start again, either.)

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by John Townsend » Thu Feb 23, 2023 9:27 am

Deschapelles is correct. Well done, John. It was reported in the British press at the time, e.g. Morning Post, 20 January 1844, page 6. He was acquitted.

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Geoff Chandler » Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:04 am

Who was the husband and wife who both played Morphy. (the women also played Capablanca making that a fairly unique double.)