Most moves before any pieces moved?

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Re: Most moves before any pieces moved?

Post by James Coleman » Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:44 pm

It's good to see my GCSE grade A in German all those years ago was well deserved :wink:

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Re: Most moves before any pieces moved?

Post by John Upham » Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:43 pm

Geoff Chandler wrote:Thanks but it's all nonsense - should of had another take.

Why did that bloke, the opening poster, use a 'T' instead of an 'R' for a Rook?

Are Rooks called Trooks in certain parts of England?
That bloke uses German shortened algebraic.

T = Turm
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Re: Most moves before any pieces moved?

Post by Geoff Chandler » Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:11 am

That bloke uses German shortened algebraic.

T = Turm
Thank you, but of course I knew that.

One of my jobs is to enter games from scoreheets into databases.
I sometimes come across British players who, for some reason, record their games
in a foreign notation.

The Edinburgh player Ewan Campbell uses Russian, that is until he gets all excited and
then reverts to old English descriptive.

The worst player is Patrick Coffey. I've never yet deciphered one of his scoresheets.

http://www.chessedinburgh.co.uk/chandle ... handID=118

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Re: Most moves before any pieces moved?

Post by Alex Holowczak » Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:51 am

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Re: Most moves before any pieces moved?

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:02 pm

I have to admit to using "S" for the knight, but otherwise normal algebraic...........

I have no idea why I started doing it (maybe I couldn't choose between "Kt" or "N"? :D )
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Re: Most moves before any pieces moved?

Post by James Toon » Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:50 pm

Article E3 of the Laws of Chess states: "For the first letter of the name of a piece, each player is free to use the first letter of the name that is commonly used in his country." In the UK that means K, Q, R, N and B. So any players in the UK who are feeling Germanic and use K, D, T, S and B are going against the Laws. Although for king and bishop moves no-one would notice the difference. Same goes for any other language. The use of a foreign notation system is not that unusual so I guess some players just don't know they shouldn't do it. I've never seen anyone complain about it.

Article 8.1 requires the moves to be recorded "as clearly and legibly as possible, in the algebraic notation." So that would scupper Patrick Coffey (whoever he is).

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Re: Most moves before any pieces moved?

Post by Richard Thursby » Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:39 pm

There's the following game involving Frank Marshall where white's first fourteen moves are all pawn moves.

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1095244

This games was published in Chess Monthly approximately fifteen years ago in an article entitled "The Perils of Pushing Pawns". Having given a number of examples of lots of early pawn moves leading to disaster, the author gave this game to show the other side of the argument.

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Re: Most moves before any pieces moved?

Post by John Upham » Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:31 pm

OK, now what the most number of moves by both side before a piece is moved? :D
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Re: Most moves before any pieces moved?

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:46 pm

James Toon wrote:Article E3 of the Laws of Chess states: "For the first letter of the name of a piece, each player is free to use the first letter of the name that is commonly used in his country." In the UK that means K, Q, R, N and B. So any players in the UK who are feeling Germanic and use K, D, T, S and B are going against the Laws.
I don't see that law as saying that. If German is a recognised FIDE language, then it's OK to write your scoresheet in German, wherever you're from. This rule is there so that players from obscure countries don't have to learn a new set of piece names to play in an official event.

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Re: Most moves before any pieces moved?

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:52 am

Jack said:-

"I don't see that law as saying that. If German is a recognised FIDE language, then it's OK to write your scoresheet in German, wherever you're from. This rule is there so that players from obscure countries don't have to learn a new set of piece names to play in an official event."

Sorry Jack - according to the Chess Arbiters Association, it is what James says.... You can use either your own language or that of the country you are playing in. So if you want to use German, either be German or be in Germany.

Viktor Korchnoi would make an interesting case as he could presumably use Russian, or any of the Swiss languages (is there a Romansch algebraic?) or the language where he is playing. However, having looked at his scoresheet, I'm still not sure what he uses....

By the way, I thought the German for bishop was Laufer?
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Re: Most moves before any pieces moved?

Post by JustinHorton » Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:52 pm

And so it is.
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