Sultan Khan - A newly discovered game and a challenge
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Sultan Khan - A newly discovered game and a challenge
I found this game of Sultan Khan where he lost to the Surrey player, Harold George Felce - the son of the better known George Albert Felce.
I also found this...
... but I can't decipher the game. Can anyone do better?
The image can be found on this page
https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=n ... %2C8087179
I also found this...
... but I can't decipher the game. Can anyone do better?
The image can be found on this page
https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=n ... %2C8087179
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Re: Sultan Khan - A newly discovered game and a challenge
Would the "J M Aiken" be J M Aitken"?
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Re: Sultan Khan - A newly discovered game and a challenge
Yes, or James Macrae Aitken to give him his full name.Kevin Thurlow wrote:Would the "J M Aiken" be J M Aitken"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Macrae_Aitken
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Re: Sultan Khan - A newly discovered game and a challenge
Thanks, Gerard. Since I had an enforced break in work here in the Isle of Man (the tournament website has just crashed with the message 'bandwidth exceeded'!), I thought I might as well update Britbase...
http://www.saund.co.uk/britbase/pgn/sul ... iewer.html
Don't think I will be taking the Glasgow Herald challenge, though...
http://www.saund.co.uk/britbase/pgn/sul ... iewer.html
Don't think I will be taking the Glasgow Herald challenge, though...
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Re: Sultan Khan - A newly discovered game and a challenge
I think you have the result wrong, both in the original post and as copied to Britbase. It was a win for White, not for Black.
I'm also not going to be taking the Glasgow Herald challenge.
I'm also not going to be taking the Glasgow Herald challenge.
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Re: Sultan Khan - A newly discovered game and a challenge
1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 d5 4.exd5 Nf6 5.c4 c6 6.dxc6 Nxc6 7.d4 appears to be the start of it.
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Re: Sultan Khan - A newly discovered game and a challenge
Well spotted, Richard. I've now fixed it on BritBase.Richard James wrote:I think you have the result wrong, both in the original post and as copied to Britbase. It was a win for White, not for Black.
I'm also not going to be taking the Glasgow Herald challenge.
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Re: Sultan Khan - A newly discovered game and a challenge
As the "challenge" game was played in a simul the moves may be more difficult to reconstruct. It is a KGA - 'Modern' Variation and... 6.dxc6 is a side line, which seems to have only been reintroduced in Veraga,Pablo v. Cassidy,Paul (Chile-Ireland match) at the 1966 Havana Ol.
Probably then 7... Bb4+ 8.Nc3 O-O 9.Bxf4 B(g4, maybe?) 10.d5 Re8+ 11.Be2 Qb6 12.dxc6, and to follow something like 12... (B-KB4?) 13.B-Q2 BxKt+ 14.PxB Kt-(Kt5?) 15.Kt-Q4 (B-N3?) 16.Q-Kt3 (QR-Q1?) 17.QxQ PxQ 18.O-O-O Kt... 19.PxP... 20.B-Kt5 P-B3 21.B-B4... 0-1 (in 59 moves?)IM Jack Rudd wrote:1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 d5 4.exd5 Nf6 5.c4 c6 6.dxc6 Nxc6 7.d4 appears to be the start of it.
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Re: Sultan Khan - A newly discovered game and a challenge
My fault, sorry. Fixed now.John Saunders wrote:Well spotted, Richard. I've now fixed it on BritBase.Richard James wrote:I think you have the result wrong, both in the original post and as copied to Britbase. It was a win for White, not for Black.
I'm also not going to be taking the Glasgow Herald challenge.
I'm very disappointed by my attempt at crowd sourcing failing so quickly. Can someone leg it up to Glasgow library (or the National Library of Scotland) and have a look at the hard copy of the Herald? Has Geoff Chandler nothing better to do?
Here's my attempt - which seems to cover all the decisive action.
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Re: Sultan Khan - A newly discovered game and a challenge
21...BxQKtP is my guess from the length. White's next two are 22 B-B7 and 23 BxP.
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Re: Sultan Khan - A newly discovered game and a challenge
Thanks, Gerard. I have also added the part-game versus Aitken to BritBase. I echo your exhortation for someone to look up a paper copy of that score. Incidentally, the above clipping raises a minor quibble. It mentions the Craddock game on 25 November 1933 (which is already on BritBase, collected from the Times Literary Supplement) and then refers to the simul (and thus the Aitken game) being played on "Saturday last" - but that was also 25 November 1933 by my reckoning. Were both simul and match played on the same day? From the way it is worded one senses that these were separate occasions.Gerard Killoran wrote:
I also found this...
Hastings and St Leonards Observer - Saturday 02 December 1933 p..17.jpg
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Re: Sultan Khan - A newly discovered game and a challenge
Many newspaper archives have been digitised and made available online.
There are a number of different collections where the Glasgow Herald may be found.
See https://www.nls.uk/collections/newspapers/online
There are a number of different collections where the Glasgow Herald may be found.
See https://www.nls.uk/collections/newspapers/online
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Re: Sultan Khan - A newly discovered game and a challenge
So I'd propose:JustinHorton wrote:21...BxQKtP is my guess from the length. White's next two are 22 B-B7 and 23 BxP.
21 ... BxQKtP
22 B-B7 R-B1
23 BxP RxPch
Black's 24th appears to be very short.
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Re: Sultan Khan - A newly discovered game and a challenge
Don't think so - White's 24th looks like ?xKt, so black's 23rd is probably KtxK/QRJustinHorton wrote:So I'd propose:JustinHorton wrote:21...BxQKtP is my guess from the length. White's next two are 22 B-B7 and 23 BxP.
21 ... BxQKtP
22 B-B7 R-B1
23 BxP RxPch
Black's 24th appears to be very short.
Re: Sultan Khan - A newly discovered game and a challenge
Until a more legible copy of the paper is found I'll try to follow on from Justin & Richard and speculatively suggest -
21... BxQKtP 22.B-B7 R-?? (Q2?) 23.BxP NxK(?)R 24.RxN BxP 25.R-Kt1 B-Q4 26.P-QR4 R-K6 27.R-Kt3 RxR 28.PxR K-B2 29.P-R5 B-B4 30.K-Kt2 P-??
Most of that is plausible, and probably correct, but where did the Black QR go on move 22? And, which Black pawn last moved (on Black's 30th), was it the R, or the Kt, pawn?
(I stand correct on the total number of moves it was 56 not 59 as I supposed - White resigned at his 57th.)
21... BxQKtP 22.B-B7 R-?? (Q2?) 23.BxP NxK(?)R 24.RxN BxP 25.R-Kt1 B-Q4 26.P-QR4 R-K6 27.R-Kt3 RxR 28.PxR K-B2 29.P-R5 B-B4 30.K-Kt2 P-??
Most of that is plausible, and probably correct, but where did the Black QR go on move 22? And, which Black pawn last moved (on Black's 30th), was it the R, or the Kt, pawn?
(I stand correct on the total number of moves it was 56 not 59 as I supposed - White resigned at his 57th.)
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