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MJMcCready
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by MJMcCready » Sun Mar 12, 2023 2:25 pm
Aha, thank you.
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Matt Mackenzie
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by Matt Mackenzie » Sun Mar 12, 2023 7:51 pm
MJMcCready wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 12:38 pm
What was the first instance of an Englishman beating a world champion?
Blackburne beat Lasker after he became WC did he not?
"Set up your attacks so that when the fire is out, it isn't out!" (H N Pillsbury)
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MJMcCready
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by MJMcCready » Mon Mar 13, 2023 8:00 am
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John Clarke
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by John Clarke » Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:50 pm
Matt Mackenzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 7:51 pm
Blackburne beat Lasker after he became WC did he not?
"Twice." (Graham Moore)
"The chess-board is the world ..... the player on the other side is hidden from us ..... he never overlooks a mistake, or makes the smallest allowance for ignorance."
(He doesn't let you resign and start again, either.)
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MJMcCready
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by MJMcCready » Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:09 am
And correct me if I am wrong but its only Adams and McShane who have beaten Carslen? Although I did see that James Plaskett came extremely close in an on line game once.
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1820780
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Nick Burrows
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by Nick Burrows » Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:41 am
MJMcCready wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:09 am
And correct me if I am wrong but its only Adams and McShane who have beaten Carslen?
And Grandmaster Keith Arkell! Plus Nigel Short, twice in 2004. Simon Williams in 2005
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MJMcCready
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by MJMcCready » Wed Mar 15, 2023 12:29 pm
Really?
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Nick Burrows
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by Nick Burrows » Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:09 pm
No, I made the Nigel Short ones up - he beat him in blitz only.
Here is Keiths Game:
and Simon's:
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MJMcCready
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by MJMcCready » Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:35 pm
Interesting stuff. I am only a club player, and thus not well positioned to comment but it looks to me like Magnus's construction of a defence against Williams is not only unlike him but extremely unsound. It gave Williams a ready made attack and allowed his entire kingside to be wiped out.
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Neil Blackburn
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by Neil Blackburn » Wed Mar 15, 2023 7:11 pm
George Thomas (and, perhaps you can include Sultan Khan as 'British Empire !?) Winter should have beaten him, but blundered into a loss.Yates should have beaten him when he was champion but missed a couple of chances.
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MJMcCready
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by MJMcCready » Thu Mar 16, 2023 1:25 am
Okay but with regard to the world champions before and after both the aforementioned Lasker and Capablanca in this thread, Steinitz, Alekhine and Euwe were not beaten by an Englishman?
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IM Jack Rudd
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by IM Jack Rudd » Thu Mar 16, 2023 4:09 am
Well, when it comes to Euwe's competitive losses, the exact domain of your term "Englishman" becomes important. Should I translate the "man" in that phrase as homo or vir?
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MJMcCready
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by MJMcCready » Thu Mar 16, 2023 4:26 am
I'm not quite sure what you are getting at there. So let's say was Euwe beaten by an someone English irrespective of their actual age.
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IM Jack Rudd
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by IM Jack Rudd » Thu Mar 16, 2023 4:27 am