1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bc4 Nf6 4 Ng5 Bc5 5 b4

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James Pratt
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1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bc4 Nf6 4 Ng5 Bc5 5 b4

Post by James Pratt » Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:56 pm

Does anybody know a name for the gambit
1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bc4 Nf6 4 Ng5 Bc5 5 b4 - when was it first played? Has any GM ever ventured it?

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Re: 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bc4 Nf6 4 Ng5 Bc5 5 b4

Post by Alex Holowczak » Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:20 pm

I found the following correspondence game. Not sure if the standard is any good, but it looks very tactical.

[Event "corr."]
[Site "BRD"]
[Date "1976.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Felbecker Hans"]
[Black "Stader"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C57"]
[WhiteElo "0"]
[BlackElo "0"]
[Annotator ""]
[Source ""]
[Remark ""]

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 Bc5 5.b4 Bxf2+ 6.Kxf2 d5 7.exd5
Ng4+ 8.Ke1 Qxg5 9.dxc6 Nxh2 10.Qe2 Qh4+ 11.Qf2 Nf3+ 12.gxf3 Qxh1+
13.Qf1 Qh4+ 14.Kd1 bxc6 15.d3 Qg3 16.Be3 f5 17.Nc3 h5 18.Ne2
Qg6 19.Kd2 a5 20.Qf2 Ba6 21.Rg1 Qf6 22.Bxa6 Rxa6 23.f4 axb4 24.fxe5
Qxe5 25.Bd4 Qa5 26.Bc5 Kd8 27.Qxf5 Qxa2 28.Rxg7 Qd5 29.Be7+ Ke8
30.Qc8+ 1-0

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Re: 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bc4 Nf6 4 Ng5 Bc5 5 b4

Post by John Upham » Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:34 pm

Naturally I turned to Schiller (the favourite book of Tony Miles :lol: ) in the hope of a mention...

Eric mentions Hardy - Farrand, England, 1956 on page 222. I assume that he means Otto Hardy and Prof. Julian T. Farrand, father of Tom and member of Cavendish Chess Club.

MegaBase 2009 has five games, Black wins 3 and the others are draws.

Deep Rybka 3 rather prefers 5..d5 and thinks that 5..Bb6 is very good for White.

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Re: 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bc4 Nf6 4 Ng5 Bc5 5 b4

Post by Geoff Chandler » Sat Sep 26, 2009 1:49 am

Estrin in the Batsford Edition (1983) of the Two Knights mentions it
without giving it a name.

He claims a plus for White after 5...Bxb4, 5..Nxb4 amd 6...Bb6.


"5....d5! 6,ed Nxb4 and Black avoids all the unpleasantness."

In Estrin's CHESS edition (197?) of the same book (the blue book) he makes
no mention of the line at all.

Estrin's introductory warning about the Wilkes Barre is roughly the
same in both copies. He recommends only players with excellent
memories should tackle the main line.

He does however alter his naughtical terms.

"...anyone who thinks he will be able to find everything over the board
is like a sailor who has set out on an open sea without sails or a compass."

This is altered in the Batsford copy:
"...to assume that it will be possible to work out the resulting complications
at the board is the equivalent to setting out into the open sea without
rudder or sails."

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Re: 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bc4 Nf6 4 Ng5 Bc5 5 b4

Post by E Michael White » Sat Sep 26, 2009 2:10 pm

I have 10 games after 5.b4
Black 8 wins, 1 draw, White wins 1
Earliest game I have is V Ragozin v A Hall 1955

on the basis of these games the best lines for Black begin 5. ... d5

[Event "England"]
[Site "England"]
[Date "1955.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Ragozin, V."]
[Black "Hall, Arthur"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "C57"]
[PlyCount "38"]
[EventDate "1955.??.??"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 Bc5 5. b4 d5 6. bxc5 dxc4 7. Bb2 h6 8.
Nf3 Bg4 9. h3 Bxf3 10. Qxf3 Qe7 11. Qe3 Rd8 12. Na3 Nd4 13. c3 Ne6 14. Nxc4 Nf4
15. O-O Rd3 16. Qe1 Qxc5 17. Ne3 Nxe4 18. c4 Rxd2 19. Nd5 Ne2+ 0-1

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