Castling Out of Check

Technical questions regarding Openings, Middlegames, Endings etc.
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Re: Castling Out of Check

Post by Richard James » Tue Aug 16, 2011 6:12 pm

Matt Mackenzie wrote:Somebody should post that game where the late Wolfgang Heidenfeld (a very useful player as well as writer) castled on both wings :lol: :lol:
No sooner said than done:

Heidenfeld - Kerins, Dublin 1973

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Be3 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd7 5.f4 c5 6.c3 Nc6 7.Nf3 Qb6 8.Qd2 c4 9.Be2 Na5 10.O-O f5 11.Ng5 Be7 12.g4 Bxg5 13.fxg5 Nf8 14.gxf5 exf5 15.Bf3 Be6 16.Qg2 O-O-O 17.Na3 Ng6 18.Qd2 f4 19.Bf2 Bh3 20.Rfb1 Bf5 21.Nc2 h6 22.gxh6 Rxh6 23.Nb4 Qe6 24.Qe2 Ne7 25.b3 Qg6+ 26.Kf1 Bxb1 27.bxc4 dxc4 28.Qb2 Bd3+ 29.Ke1 Be4 30.Qe2 Bxf3 31.Qxf3 Rxh2 32.d5 Qf5 33.O-O-O Rh3 34.Qe2 Rxc3+ 35.Kb2 Rh3 36.d6 Nec6 37.Nxc6 Nxc6 38.e6 Qe5+ 39.Qxe5 Nxe5 40.d7+ Nxd7 0-1

From Tim Krabbé's Chess Records page.

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Re: Castling Out of Check

Post by HLang » Tue Aug 16, 2011 9:57 pm

I'm reminded of what is probably the most perceptive question I've been asked by a child beginner.

On being shown that Ke1-f1-g1 was illegal due to f1 being guarded by an opposing piece, he asked if he could "move the king two squares like this instead" and went Ke1-f2-g1. The f2 square was unguarded.

Probably my own fault for teaching castling as "doing-doing... wheeeee!", accompanied by optional 360' rook somersault during the "wheeeee!" (The advantage of this method being that they get queenside castling right, as the king only ever does a maximum of two "doings".)

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Re: Castling Out of Check

Post by Nick Thomas » Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:51 pm

Some years ago my opponent in the British Champ's tried to castle queenside after previously moving their QR twice (to b8 and back again to a8). I objected :shock:

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Re: Castling Out of Check

Post by Dan O'Dowd » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:08 am

HLang wrote:I'm reminded of what is probably the most perceptive question I've been asked by a child beginner.

On being shown that Ke1-f1-g1 was illegal due to f1 being guarded by an opposing piece, he asked if he could "move the king two squares like this instead" and went Ke1-f2-g1. The f2 square was unguarded.

Probably my own fault for teaching castling as "doing-doing... wheeeee!", accompanied by optional 360' rook somersault during the "wheeeee!" (The advantage of this method being that they get queenside castling right, as the king only ever does a maximum of two "doings".)
By technicality until a few years ago, the Ke1-f2-g1 castling was actually not prohibited entirely actually!

The most common situation in terms of odd castling is of course that where people try to do it Rook first. I had someone in the SADCA league try it once, I made him move the Rook only but had been easily winning. We also have someone in our club who insists on castling two-handed, which is now illegal.

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Re: Castling Out of Check

Post by Phil Neatherway » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:41 am

Nick Thomas wrote:Some years ago my opponent in the British Champ's tried to castle queenside after previously moving their QR twice (to b8 and back again to a8). I objected
Some years ago my opponent in the British Champ's tried to castle queenside after previously moving their QR twice (to b8 and back again to a8). I objected :shock:
Did you insist he move his king? (Touch and move)

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Re: Castling Out of Check

Post by Maxim Devereaux » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:58 am

Nick Thomas wrote:Some years ago my opponent in the British Champ's tried to castle queenside after previously moving their QR twice (to b8 and back again to a8). I objected :shock:
This kind of lapse happens even to some very good players on occasion... see Fier-Getz from this year's Gibraltar, as reported by Chessbase:
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=6982

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Re: Castling Out of Check

Post by Geoff Chandler » Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:32 am

Hi.

Chris was asking if any game inputters have a way of getting round entering
illegal castling. Fortunately here Frisher - Chandler, Edinburgh League 1985.

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As Black I played 36...0-0 and my opponent resigned so there was no need for a work around.

During the game the Black King had been on D8 and e7 and it completely sliiped our notice.

If he had spotted it then I am bound by the touch move rule
and have to make a King move. 36...Kd8 37.Ra8+ 1-0.

Ray Sayers

Re: Castling Out of Check

Post by Ray Sayers » Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:47 pm

I'm not sure you need to resign after Kd8, Ra8+ Kc7, Rxh8 Kxb6 but I get the drift :D

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Re: Castling Out of Check

Post by Nick Thomas » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:58 pm

Phil Neatherway wrote:
Nick Thomas wrote:
Some years ago my opponent in the British Champ's tried to castle queenside after previously moving their QR twice (to b8 and back again to a8). I objected :shock:
Did you insist he move his king? (Touch and move)
I did and she immediately resigned, more through embarassment I think than having an unplayable position.

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Re: Castling Out of Check

Post by Geoff Chandler » Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:18 am

Hi Ray.

I would most likely have resigned the moment it was pointed out to me.
I could not play on after that. (anyway now it's Rook ending - I don't do endings.)

We were playing over the game when I suddenly realised that my 0-0 was illegal.

I made am excuse (after having a word a quick word with my captain) and left.

I'm a great believer in Luck in Chess and 'what comes around goes around.'
and I dreaded for weeks afterwards what fate the Gods had in store for me.

Ray Sayers

Re: Castling Out of Check

Post by Ray Sayers » Thu Aug 18, 2011 6:46 am

That's very understandable.

At least you had the good grace to be embarrassed about it!

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