Why did he did so?

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Re: Why did he did so?

Post by Roger de Coverly » Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:31 pm

Michael Farthing wrote:Surely the knight on d5 would then fall also?


By playing .. c6, Black has gained enough time to unpin by Qc8 or Qc7 without the Knight being loose.

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Re: Why did he did so?

Post by Michael Farthing » Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:56 pm

Oh yes - my sloppy analysis had missed that c6 had already happened.

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Re: Why did he did so?

Post by soheil_hooshdaran » Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:17 pm

Could someone please explain this to me?
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Re: Why did he did so?

Post by Roger de Coverly » Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:21 pm

soheil_hooshdaran wrote:Could someone please explain this to me?
Black got lucky? I doubt if it's all forced.

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Re: Why did he did so?

Post by soheil_hooshdaran » Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:59 pm

Here:


Why Ra1 wouldn't work?

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Re: Why did he did so?

Post by Roger de Coverly » Thu Jul 13, 2017 1:23 pm

soheil_hooshdaran wrote: Why Ra1 wouldn't work?
Just seeing one move ahead, White just takes it. I see that you want to make the discovered check Rxf2 work, but why cannot White take with the King? Even if you fall into the trick with Rxf2, it's still giving up two Rooks for a Queen and pawn.

I see there's also the idea of .. Nxe3. Presumably giving up a Rook to start with and winning back an exchange isn't enough. I suppose that's the line and the assessment is going to depend on what's left on the board when the dust settles.

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Re: Why did he did so?

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Thu Jul 13, 2017 1:43 pm

I think the point is that Rb1 does work but Ra1 doesn't work because after White captures on a1 with the queen and Black captures on f3 with the Black queen, the White queen captures on b2 with check to the king on g7 and White wins.

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Re: Why did he did so?

Post by Leonard Barden » Thu Jul 13, 2017 1:59 pm

Bouwmeester-Botvinnik, Wageningen 1958. The great man played d5-d4? missing Rb2-b1!

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Re: Why did he did so?

Post by soheil_hooshdaran » Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:13 am

How do you explain this tactic?

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Re: Why did he did so?

Post by MartinCarpenter » Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:28 am

Blundering material away in a better position :) (There's something very wrong with the diagram.).

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Re: Why did he did so?

Post by soheil_hooshdaran » Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:31 am

And what about this one?

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Re: Why did he did so?

Post by Barry Sandercock » Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:15 am

White just plays the best moves in the position. That's what you are supposed to do !

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Re: Why did he did so?

Post by Roger de Coverly » Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:44 am

MartinCarpenter wrote:Blundering material away in a better position(There's something very wrong with the diagram.).
If there's a Rook on f8 or not on f1, it's a deflection tactic as Nxe4 isn't possible because of .. Qa2 mate and fxe4 isn't possible because .. Qxf2 wins material.

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Re: Why did he did so?

Post by soheil_hooshdaran » Tue Jul 18, 2017 1:26 pm

I mean thnhe reason for ...e4 break

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Re: Why did he did so?

Post by Roger de Coverly » Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:08 pm

soheil_hooshdaran wrote:I mean thnhe reason for ...e4 break
I think you need to correct the diagram to a position where .. e4 doesn't lose. I doubt any great strategic idea, rather more the creation of mayhem with the .. Qa2 mate threat.