Refuted Openings
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Re: Refuted Openings
Topalov claimed (during his visit to Bunratty) that 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bb5 Bc5 is refuted. By that he said there is a forcing line that leaves white +1. I suspect that it's still played with some success below Super GM level though.
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Re: Refuted Openings
So what is this "line"?
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He didn't tell us but I suspect it may be in the line starting 4 c3 Nf6 5 d4 Bb6 6 Ne5 Ne5 7 de Ne4 8 Qg4. If that is the case then black has to try something different in the moves before.Matt Mackenzie wrote:So what is this "line"?
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It is still played by lots of strong GM's and there are enough variations to be able to side step any single forcing line, so I find this claim a little odd.LawrenceCooper wrote:Topalov claimed (during his visit to Bunratty) that 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bb5 Bc5 is refuted. By that he said there is a forcing line that leaves white +1. I suspect that it's still played with some success below Super GM level though.
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Re: Refuted Openings
As I recall Sokolov's book on non 3...a6 Spanish lines is not impressed with it.
Incidentally I seem to recall Topalov played against 3...Nf6 4. O-O Bc5 (a line I used to be fond of) in his match with Kamsky.
Incidentally I seem to recall Topalov played against 3...Nf6 4. O-O Bc5 (a line I used to be fond of) in his match with Kamsky.
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He did; which adds credence to the idea that 3...Bc5 4 c3 is the perceived problem.JustinHorton wrote:As I recall Sokolov's book on non 3...a6 Spanish lines is not impressed with it.
Incidentally I seem to recall Topalov played against 3...Nf6 4. O-O Bc5 (a line I used to be fond of) in his match with Kamsky.
And I believe it - I have spent ages in the past trying to find something that satisfied me against this; and I know one GM friend who wanted to play 3...Bc5 but never did, because even with Fritz he couldn't make it work after 4 c3.
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I took a look with my engine. After 4 c3 Nf6 5 d4 Bb6 6 Ne5 Ne5 7 de Ne4 8 Qg4 there are indeed long forcing variations leading to an advantage to White.
However after the main line of 4 c3 Nf6 5 d4 exd4 6 e5 Ne4 7 O-O d5 8 cxd4 Bb6 White only has a small plus.
However after the main line of 4 c3 Nf6 5 d4 exd4 6 e5 Ne4 7 O-O d5 8 cxd4 Bb6 White only has a small plus.
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Re: Refuted Openings
Interesting; maybe humans are put off that line by Short v Kamsky 1994 (incidentally, the game which made the newspapers when Rustam Kamsky allegedly threatened Short).
7 0-0 is generally thought to be critical, but 7 cxd4 is possible and 7 Qe2 certainly deserves attention as well.
7 0-0 is generally thought to be critical, but 7 cxd4 is possible and 7 Qe2 certainly deserves attention as well.