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Alekhine with f3

Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:38 pm
by Gavin Hughes
Apart from leaving a few potential holes around e3 and g3 if Alekhine players face this often and general experiences? 1. E4 Nf6 2. F3

Just curious.

Re: Alekhine with f3

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 12:08 am
by Roger de Coverly
Gavin Hughes wrote:Apart from leaving a few potential holes around e3 and g3 if Alekhine players face this often and general experiences? 1. E4 Nf6 2. F3
Mike Surtees used to use a similar idea in the c3 Sicilian. 1. e4 c5 2. c3 Nf6/d5 3 f3 . He seems to have abandoned it in favour of 1. e4 c5 2. Nh3 .

Feel free to give 1. e4 Nf6 2. f3 a punt .

There's around 30 previous games if you want research material, none of them played in English tournaments.

Re: Alekhine with f3

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 10:22 am
by Kevin Thurlow
A club colleague has tried 1.e4 Nf6, 2.f3 and it seems to work ok. Hardly anybody plays 1....Nf6 anyway, so he doesn't get too many opportunities, but the Black confuser frequently becomes the confusee.

Re: Alekhine with f3

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 11:25 am
by Jonathan Rogers
It's evidently playable. But why play it? It has no evidemt purpose and sets no traps, so is quite low down the scale of wacky ideas. It is just proof that White can get away with a pointless move or two in the opening.

Re: Alekhine with f3

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 12:14 pm
by LawrenceCooper
Jonathan Rogers wrote:It's evidently playable. But why play it? It has no evidemt purpose and sets no traps, so is quite low down the scale of wacky ideas. It is just proof that White can get away with a pointless move or two in the opening.
Maybe the plan is to answer 2...e5 with 3 f4 and to have a reversed Latvian Gambit :D

Re: Alekhine with f3

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 1:04 pm
by Jonathan Rogers
And in the event of a cunning 2...d5, 3 d4 dxe4 4 Nc3 with a Blackmar-Diemer Gambit!

Re: Alekhine with f3

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 1:12 pm
by NickFaulks
Jonathan Rogers wrote:And in the event of a cunning 2...d5, 3 d4 dxe4 4 Nc3 with a Blackmar-Diemer Gambit!
Or 3.e5, Nfd7 4.d4, e6 5.Be3 and we've transposed to one of the better lines in the Tromp.

After 2...e5, though, I really do think White is looking for a way to equalise - Lawrence's idea notwithstanding.

Re: Alekhine with f3

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 1:40 pm
by LawrenceCooper
NickFaulks wrote:
Jonathan Rogers wrote:And in the event of a cunning 2...d5, 3 d4 dxe4 4 Nc3 with a Blackmar-Diemer Gambit!
Or 3.e5, Nfd7 4.d4, e6 5.Be3 and we've transposed to one of the better lines in the Tromp.

After 2...e5, though, I really do think White is looking for a way to equalise - Lawrence's idea notwithstanding.
Agreed. One of the many drawbacks to f3 can be seen after 3 Bc4 d5 4 ed Nd5 where 5 Ne2 is met by Qh4+ and the bishop on c4 drops off.

Re: Alekhine with f3

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 3:17 pm
by Gavin Hughes
thanks all for your thoughts. maybe nc3 first then :)

Re: Alekhine with f3

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 3:20 pm
by Matt Mackenzie
2 Bc4 is another offbeat line - it isn't objectively very good, but might bamboozle the unwary.

Re: Alekhine with f3

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 9:57 pm
by Paul Dargan
Or 2.d3 and 3.f4

Re: Alekhine with f3

Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:21 am
by Gavin Hughes
Paul Dargan wrote:Or 2.d3 and 3.f4
I have played for this set up before with nc3 first moving into a Vienna. However many Alekhine players play d5 after nc3 and you end up playing e5 (exd is probably ok as well but probably less challenging)

Re: Alekhine with f3

Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 1:17 pm
by Kevin Thurlow
"Maybe the plan is to answer 2...e5 with 3 f4 and to have a reversed Latvian Gambit "

That's the one - and you are not even a move behind. At normal club level, it sets great problems.

Re: Alekhine with f3

Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 1:33 pm
by NickFaulks
If that's what you want, you're more likely to get it by starting 1.e3, hoping for 1...e5 2.e4, Nf6.

Re: Alekhine with f3

Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 2:12 pm
by Roger de Coverly
Kevin Thurlow wrote:At normal club level, it sets great problems.
For the player who moves the f pawn that is.

Here's one I played earlier (county match in 1999)



You're supposed to play 3. .. Qf6