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Post by Ian Thompson » Tue May 14, 2019 11:02 am

Charlie Storey wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 9:03 am
I feel no desire to back up my claims, just know I am a man of sincerity, honesty, integrity and ethics.
That being the case, I'm sure you will have kept all the records the Advertising Standards Authority requires you to to keep to substantiate your number of open wins should someone make a complaint that your claim is misleading, or plain wrong.

Why not publish the list, so people don't continue to think it's so high that it's not credible?

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Post by Roger de Coverly » Tue May 14, 2019 12:57 pm

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I once won a British Rapidplay event (2009 ish) on the middle weekend of a British Championship, defeating GM Gawain Jones in that British Championship Rapidplay event. Does that mean it was only Open to British players. My definition is that this was an Open.

There is no trace of this fantastic result.
It's listed at
http://ecfgrading.org.uk/new/menu.php?f ... radeType=R

No results though.

I wouldn't be sure that a generally accepted description of a tournament as "an Open" would include rapidplay.

The standard play results for that season are available though.

http://ecfgrading.org.uk/new/menu.php?f ... radeType=S

That shows 10 events, 5 of which would be "Opens", one other was the British Championship and another the Northumberland Championship.

They would have contributed 2 to the "wins" total, 3 if you include the county event.

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Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Tue May 14, 2019 1:05 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
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Charlie Storey wrote:
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I once won a British Rapidplay event (2009 ish) on the middle weekend of a British Championship, defeating GM Gawain Jones in that British Championship Rapidplay event. Does that mean it was only Open to British players. My definition is that this was an Open.

There is no trace of this fantastic result.
It's listed at
http://ecfgrading.org.uk/new/menu.php?f ... radeType=R

No results though.
What do you mean, no results?

The results are there, and a link to a cross-table of the event.

It shows clearly that Charlie Storey started with 5 wins and lost in the final round to Danny Gormally, who won the event jointly with Gawain Jones on 5.5/6. Charlie Storie did not play Gawain Jones, so whatever event he is remembering, it must be a different one.

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Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Tue May 14, 2019 1:09 pm

The rapidplay Charlie Storey won at a British Championships, defeating Gawain Jones, was in 2007. Charlie Storey scored 5.5/6 and defeated Gawain Jones in round 4. It is listed as 'British 2007: Rapidplay wk 2' in the grading database.

http://ecfgrading.org.uk/new/menu.php?f ... radeType=R

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Post by Charlie Storey » Tue May 14, 2019 1:23 pm

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 1:09 pm
The rapidplay Charlie Storey won at a British Championships, defeating Gawain Jones, was in 2007. Charlie Storey scored 5.5/6 and defeated Gawain Jones in round 4. It is listed as 'British 2007: Rapidplay wk 2' in the grading database.

http://ecfgrading.org.uk/new/menu.php?f ... radeType=R
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Post by Roger de Coverly » Tue May 14, 2019 1:24 pm

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
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What do you mean, no results?
Evidently a fault with my browser as I can see the results now. As you observe, not a tournament win. If the claim had been top 3 placing, it would be valid.

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Post by Charlie Storey » Tue May 14, 2019 1:27 pm

Anyone who can compile all Open victories I have had that are in ECF database and list them all here with hyper links I will offer a 2 Game Blitz match at Chess24.com tonight and if they draw or win either games I will give a Copy of my THE WHITE SNIPER Chessbase DVD FritzTrainer which is due for release next month from ChessBase.com
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Post by Michael Farthing » Tue May 14, 2019 1:46 pm

What a lot of pay for so little work!

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Post by Roger de Coverly » Tue May 14, 2019 1:48 pm

Charlie Storey wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 1:27 pm
Anyone who can compile all Open victories I have had that are in ECF database and list them all here with hyper links
How many do you think that would total? That's the point, you appear to be claiming tournament victories for which no documentation exists.

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Post by JustinHorton » Tue May 14, 2019 2:15 pm

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all names will be released for the historic first Chess Team GB Great Britain Junior Squad.
I trust, Charlie, that you will be making it clear to these children and their parents that this is not an official Great Britain squad in any way.
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Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Tue May 14, 2019 2:22 pm

Charlie Storey wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 1:27 pm
Anyone who can compile all Open victories I have had that are in ECF database and list them all here with hyper links I will offer a 2 Game Blitz match at Chess24.com tonight and if they draw or win either games I will give a Copy of my THE WHITE SNIPER Chessbase DVD FritzTrainer which is due for release next month from ChessBase.com
If anyone can draw or win games against you, they should get a bit more than that... :D

If you revise your offer to a *signed* copy of the DVD, without the need to win or draw chess games against you, you might get more interest.

And no, I'm not interested in compiling the list. :mrgreen:

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Post by Charlie Storey » Tue May 14, 2019 3:33 pm

Took me a while to find the typo...Many thanks.
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Post by Matt Bridgeman » Tue May 14, 2019 7:31 pm

I was going to stay well away from this thread, but I feel I have a small amount of insight to add. It took a while to write, so apologies if it appears completely out of context of any current discussions in this thread.

I would start by saying I have a lot of respect for Charlie. He's been my daughter's coach at a few international events - the World Cadets last year in Spain, and also at one or two Glorney Cups, and also we were there with him in Montenegro at the European Schools a couple of years ago. He also gets a special mention for inviting Niamh to do some commentary at the British Championships in Hull, which was a terrific, memorable experience. Charlie without a doubt has the most boundless energy and enthusiasm of anyone I think I've ever come across in chess. I've seen him play dozens and dozens of his 'banter' blitz games against top juniors, chess parents and fellow coaches ...and effortlessly slaughter the lot! He's a good coach, particularly great at making post-game analysis insightful, interesting and entertaining. I have absolutely no doubt that when the rest of us have run out of puff in old age, Charlie will still be there like some energizer bunny, loving and living 24/7 chess.

I think like a few chess parents I've had a little puzzlement about the whole ECF Academy tender/Longsons/Charlie saga. My daughter has nearly completed 3 years as a member of the International Program at the ECF Academy, which is coming to an end in November. We pay £400 a year for the tuition fees, and can attend all 4 weekends a year. We pay extra for the hotel and food, but all in all I would say it's value for money. You take what I would call 'pot luck' as to the quality of teaching you may get in any given weekend. The feedback I would get from my daughter was certain teachers were very good - take a bow Andrew Martin and Glenn Flear - others were fair to average and the odd one was quite poor. No it wasn't Charlie.

My take on the Academy is that it is a positive thing for junior chess, oddly not so much for the tuition, as honestly I don't think the children remember very much theory after the weekends, but more the social aspect. These weekends effectively provide something different, a social chess experience - junior players coming together, breaking down rivalries into more friendships, bringing chess parents a bit closer together. I think in the main young Academy players improvement comes much more from the week in, week out grind of working with chess parents, chess coaches, working on their training materials and playing regular junior and adult competitions.

So I suppose I was a bit surprised to read Charlie's proposal for the ECF Academy tender. I'm sorry but the whole £100 registration fee and £100 a month was a red flag. That is over 3 times what I am paying for the current Academy. I know there were lots of other things on the list, but I'm sorry but it read like 4 Academy weekends, an hour of Skype coaching a month, and access to training materials and competitions that chess parents/coaches often already have ...If this is coming out overly harshly, I do apologise! I haven't seen what Sarah Longson is proposing to charge for her regional idea, but I suppose there is a worry that these Academy's might be, to some degree, becoming commercial enterprises for the coaches running them, and may no longer value for money for parents. I may be completely wrong of course, and it is early days.

Regardless, it would be great if Charlie does bring more FIDE competitions to the North of England. The part of his Junior Squad proposal I really liked was this idea of having this great range of new long plays, rapid plays, blitz, and interestingly training competitions. I really hope he does make that happen, and that he opens up access to everyone, not just paid up 'Squad Members.'

To my mind quite a large stumbling block for his Great Britain Junior Squad will be getting the better junior players to join up. A lot of good juniors have been there and done that with the Academy experience. New emerging players may want to go to official 'Official' Academy instead. Or the other one ...the National Squad. It will be have to be a truly eye catching product to pull the good players in. And of course a lot of chess parents don't have bottomless pockets, where they can just sign their children up for everything.

On a final note, and again I apologise if this is a bit harsh. My day job is a Trading Standards officer. However, I'm writing this just as keen chess follower and chess parent. I don't work in Charlie's area, and I don't honestly mind what he does. But my word to the wise; there is a commonly used piece of criminal legislation in Trading Standards - Section 5 of the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008, which is a section of law dealing with unfair trading. Without boring everyone to death it is often applied to businesses using false information to influence a 'transactional decision' by a consumer. To my mind (and probably a lot of other chess parents' minds) the 168 Open victories, means that in Keith Arkell style, Charlie has won 168 weekenders. That obviously would be an amazing feat, and would influence chess parents to sign up for coaching and the new Junior Squad. If it's not entirely true you should think about clarifying what you mean on your advertising materials. To my mind you don't need to make such claims because your CV is already very impressive. And of course there is potential for the description 'Official Great Britain Junior Squad' to also fall foul of the same section of legislation. But as I said I don't mind personally and would love to see you create a junior chess boom in the North of England.

Good luck with it all I say!
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Post by Charlie Storey » Tue May 14, 2019 8:09 pm

Hi Matt - Thank you for your very insightful comments and as I always bow to a 'chess parents wishes' especially former students parents, I will now clarify my 168 Open Victories as defined by me earlier in this thread.

I have done this before (about 7 years ago) when there was another person who thought this incredible, so it seems a bit odd that I need to justify my achievements again. I am about to be in an important position as Head of a new Junior Chess Organisation that is already taking traction and for this reason i will also do it as I assure you I prefer honesty and transparency in people and organisations.

I am flattered people now see this as an amazing feat. I will have to go and search old Hard Drives with the tournament victories on and I will post it here within 3 hours as I have some Coaching to do for the upcoming England trip to Romania. It may be a little odd how I compile the evidence but lets see how its done in my next post - meanwhile if anyone wants to help compile some evidence here is some clues;

1. Civil Service National champion 1991 Kevin Thurlow will validate
2. Multiple Tyne and Wear Open Championships over 30 years (Lost count too many) Guess 8
3. Multiple County Championships at Blitz Rapidplay Lightning over 30 years (Lost count too many) Guess 60
4. Multiple Durham Congress champions / Rapidplay / Lightning over 30 years (Lost count too many) Guess 20
5. Multiple Cleveland Congress wins over 30 Years / Rapidplays (Lost count too many) guess 8
6. Multiple Hartlepool Congress Victories over 20 years (Lost count too many) 30
7 Multiple Hartlepool Rapidplay victories over 20 years (Lost count too many) 20
8. Multiple North East Rapidplay victories and overall Grand Prix Winner over 5 years (Lost count too many) 30
9. Newcastle Chess Club Summer Blitz Open over 15 years British Championship Rapidplay (Lost count too many)
10 Edinburgh International Congress / Grangemouth Congress / various Scottish Rapidplays (Approximately 5)
11 Malta Rapidplay
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Post by JustinHorton » Tue May 14, 2019 8:16 pm

I don't know whether to start with the inclusion of blitz and rapidplays, or with the curious combination of an exact number of victories with multiple repetitions of "lost count".
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