2024 FIDE Candidates Toronto April 3-23

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Re: 2024 FIDE Candidates Toronto April 3-23

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Sun Apr 21, 2024 1:18 am

That will mean all four players still in contention will be within half a point of each other, with White needing to win in both games and Black needing to at least draw (for Gukesh) and win (for Nepo).

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Re: 2024 FIDE Candidates Toronto April 3-23

Post by LawrenceCooper » Sun Apr 21, 2024 1:30 am

Caruana wins.

Nakamura (8) v Gukesh (8.5) & Caruana (8) v Nepo (8) to finish the tournament.

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Post by Graham Borrowdale » Sun Apr 21, 2024 1:32 am

Wow! Beautiful ending from Caruana, worth staying up for.

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Re: 2024 FIDE Candidates Toronto April 3-23

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Sun Apr 21, 2024 1:37 am

How would Nepo and Caruana prepare for a game like this?? They are good enough they may fight to a standstill, which would suit Gukesh (and also Nakamura if he can find a way to outplay or outprepare Gukesh).

It will be incredibly tense!

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Re: 2024 FIDE Candidates Toronto April 3-23

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Sun Apr 21, 2024 11:11 am

Don't think there has been a really exciting last round in the Candidates since 2013.

And there were "just" two in contention then, not four. We certainly won't get all the front runners losing this time anyway :)
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Re: 2024 FIDE Candidates Toronto April 3-23

Post by Graham Borrowdale » Sun Apr 21, 2024 11:22 am

Must win for Nepo and Caruana - I don’t see how Nepo could win on demand with black, but maybe the player who is ‘least desperate’ will have the edge psychologically. In a normal tournament they might settle for a draw and a good prize, but here it’s winner takes all for the main prize.
Nakamura also needs to win, obviously, but he says he is not really bothered, or words to that effect, so has less pressure. Not sure I believe that, and I think he will win, along with Caruana.
Is anyone predicting Gukesh to win outright?

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Re: 2024 FIDE Candidates Toronto April 3-23

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Sun Apr 21, 2024 11:24 am

Graham Borrowdale wrote:
Sun Apr 21, 2024 11:22 am
Is anyone predicting Gukesh to win outright?
He is leading with a round to go, how can anyone rule him out?

After all, it "only" needs the top two games to end up as draws for that to happen.
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Post by Jonathan Rogers » Sun Apr 21, 2024 3:17 pm

Matt Mackenzie wrote:
Sun Apr 21, 2024 11:24 am
Graham Borrowdale wrote:
Sun Apr 21, 2024 11:22 am
Is anyone predicting Gukesh to win outright?
He is leading with a round to go, how can anyone rule him out?

After all, it "only" needs the top two games to end up as draws for that to happen.
For that reason alone, he must be the favourite. Maybe he has 55% of the remaining chances (to emerge as the qualifier from all of this, whether or not after tie breaks if necessary), Naka has 25% (because for him there is also the possibility of being outright winner without tiebreaks), Caruana 15% (simply because playing White v Nepo) and Nepo just 5%. Aye, poor Nepo, being unbeaten has not done him many favours after all. Not winning a game against Abasov is looking like a big deal right now.

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Re: 2024 FIDE Candidates Toronto April 3-23

Post by Nick Burrows » Sun Apr 21, 2024 3:32 pm

I'll stick with my pre-tourney pick.

Nakamura 1-0 Gukesh
Caruana 1/2-1/2 Nepo

Gukesh collapsed in game 1 vs Nepo, and although he held it together last night, he looked very nervous and let his clock run down to seconds at one point. I think if Naka gets a long game he has a great chance.

On the other hand, I really like Gukesh and it would be an exciting spectacle to watch him play for the title with India behind him.

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Post by Paul Cooksey » Sun Apr 21, 2024 8:49 pm

I'm not a huge fan of chess.com, but they do have Magnus on their commentary

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Re: 2024 FIDE Candidates Toronto April 3-23

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Sun Apr 21, 2024 9:40 pm

Two hours in, is anyone calling it yet? Looks level on all boards (including the one where the draw was agreed!).

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Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Sun Apr 21, 2024 10:04 pm

I like Caruana's position now at move 20 after Nepo castled queenside. However, a long way to go.

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Post by LawrenceCooper » Sun Apr 21, 2024 10:20 pm

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
Sun Apr 21, 2024 9:40 pm
Two hours in, is anyone calling it yet? Looks level on all boards (including the one where the draw was agreed!).
Gukesh & Caruana are both better but still a long way to go. It may help both their causes that their opponents probably won't be in the mood to patiently defend worse positions.

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Re: 2024 FIDE Candidates Toronto April 3-23

Post by LawrenceCooper » Sun Apr 21, 2024 10:56 pm

LawrenceCooper wrote:
Sun Apr 21, 2024 10:20 pm
Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
Sun Apr 21, 2024 9:40 pm
Two hours in, is anyone calling it yet? Looks level on all boards (including the one where the draw was agreed!).
Gukesh & Caruana are both better but still a long way to go. It may help both their causes that their opponents probably won't be in the mood to patiently defend worse positions.
Caruana win and Gukesh draw looks the most likely.

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Re: 2024 FIDE Candidates Toronto April 3-23

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Sun Apr 21, 2024 10:57 pm

Too early to talk about who would be favourite in the playoff?