England teams for 2011 European Team Championship

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Re: England teams for 2011 European Team Championship

Post by Mick Norris » Wed Nov 09, 2011 6:58 pm

John Moore wrote:Well, the Ukraine tomorrow would be a bit of a worry. Who are you going to play in the next two rounds - back to Rogers J's conumdrum from some time back. Now, you have to play Adams, Short and Jones don't you. But does David H want to play again or do you play Nick in the last two rounds.

Incidentally Switzerland-Ukraine is an incredible result. I sort of assumed Switzerland might make 1 if Viktor was playing - he would make a half and somebody else would make a half. Even that would have been a surprise. But Viktor didn't and they made 3-1!!!
I think we will play either Iceland, Austria or Denmark (or maybe whichever of Finland and Norway is floated up to our score group, unless we are floated up to the next score group, ah yes, over to Alex :wink: )
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Re: England teams for 2011 European Team Championship

Post by John Moore » Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:00 pm

So we get the downfloat

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Re: England teams for 2011 European Team Championship

Post by Alex Holowczak » Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:01 pm

I made it:

Denmark v Sweden
Iceland v Israel
Austria v Ukraine
England downfloat

Finland v Lithuania
England v Norway

One thing I haven't checked here - this software makes this incredibly difficult to do so - is float history. This may have an impact.

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Re: England teams for 2011 European Team Championship

Post by John Moore » Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:04 pm

Norway?

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Re: England teams for 2011 European Team Championship

Post by Alex Holowczak » Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:06 pm

Pretty much every scoregroup in the Women's section has a float, so I'm not even going to try to work it out properly! If I had to take a punt, I'd go for Switzerland v England.

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Re: England teams for 2011 European Team Championship

Post by John Moore » Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:06 pm

Great work anyway Alex

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Re: England teams for 2011 European Team Championship

Post by Alex Holowczak » Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:08 pm

John Moore wrote:Norway?
That's my guess.

England get the downfloat, so we form a group:
England
Finland
Lithuania
Norway

So pairing from the extreme ends first, you get England v Norway. This is legal because they've not played before and there are no dodgy colour splits. Then Finland v Lithuania seems to work.

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Re: England teams for 2011 European Team Championship

Post by Alex Holowczak » Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:08 pm

John Moore wrote:Great work anyway Alex
Hey, I might be totally wrong again! :lol:

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Re: England teams for 2011 European Team Championship

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:09 pm

If there is nothing else to play for, team selection might come down to trying to help Adams do as well as possible in the board one medal tables (I presume there are actually individual board prizes to play for).

http://chess-results.com/tnr57856.aspx? ... ES&flag=30

If it is done on rating performance (as previously), then he is still in the lead, just, by five rating performance points from Topalov and ten from Aronian. I do hope, though, that the team still has targets to aim for (big wins in the last two rounds) to finish somewhere respectable. All a bit depressing really (and I hope none of them are reading this forum!). :(

Ah, here we go:

7. Individual prizes in team competitions
7.1 The players who obtained the best individual results on their respective boards shall receive gold medals. Silver and bronze medals shall be awarded to the second and third place winners.
7.1.1 For this purpose the players performance score is calculated if the player takes part in at least 70% of the rounds (for basic players) or 50% of the rounds (for reserve players).
The highest performance wins. In case of a tie it shall be broken by:
(a) mutual results (if all played each other);
(b) median Buchholz, the highest number wins;
(c) average rating of opponents, the highest number wins.
For calculating of performance rating the maximum rating difference of two players shall be 400 points. In the case of unplayed games for all calculations the current FIDE Tournament Rules shall be applied.

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Re: England teams for 2011 European Team Championship

Post by Mick Norris » Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:16 pm

Alex Holowczak wrote:
John Moore wrote:Great work anyway Alex
Hey, I might be totally wrong again! :lol:
England v Finland
http://chess-results.com/tnr57856.aspx? ... ES&flag=30
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Re: England teams for 2011 European Team Championship

Post by Mick Norris » Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:18 pm

30. Finland (RtgAvg:2502, Captain: Mikael Agopov / TB1: 5 / TB2: 13)
Bo. Name Rtg FED 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Pts. Games RtgAvg Rp
1 GM Nyback Tomi 2631 FIN ½ 0 1 0 1 1 3.5 6 2506 2563
2 IM Sammalvuo Tapani 2492 FIN 0 0 0 ½ 0 1 1.5 6 2433 2240
3 IM Agopov Mikael 2450 FIN ½ 0 ½ 0 1 0 2.0 6 2523 2398
4 IM Karttunen Mika 2434 FIN 1 0 0 1 1 0 1 4.0 7 2299 2482
5 IM Nyysti Sampsa 2345 FIN 1 0 1 2.0 3 2217 2342
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Re: England teams for 2011 European Team Championship

Post by Mick Norris » Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:20 pm

Montenegro v England Women


25. Montenegro (RtgAvg:2134, Captain: Dusanka Jovicevic / TB1: 5 / TB2: 10.5)
Bo. Name Rtg FED 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Pts. Games RtgAvg Rp
1 WGM Vojinovic Jovana 2346 MNE 0 1 1 ½ 0 ½ 1 4.0 7 2314 2364
2 WFM Milovic Aleksandra 2171 MNE ½ ½ ½ 1 0 ½ 1 4.0 7 2225 2275
3 WFM Stojanovic Marija R 2095 MNE ½ ½ 0 0 0 0 ½ 1.5 7 2225 1995
4 Blagojevic Tijana 1925 MNE 0 ½ 0 ½ 0 0 1.0 6 2134 1861
5 Bacic Kristina 1803 MNE 0 0.0 1 2131 0
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Re: England teams for 2011 European Team Championship

Post by John Moore » Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:20 pm

Be lining up to play against Finland! Tomi Nyback is pretty decent though

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Re: England teams for 2011 European Team Championship

Post by Alex Holowczak » Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:21 pm

Mick Norris wrote:
Alex Holowczak wrote:
John Moore wrote:Great work anyway Alex
Hey, I might be totally wrong again! :lol:
England v Finland
http://chess-results.com/tnr57856.aspx? ... ES&flag=30
Yes, I just saw. Our 1/2 point was taken off us.

I got many things wrong when I was working it out:
(1) Sweden didn't downfloat, Georgia did for some reason
(2) We end up v Finland. I can only think that this was due to a colour problem; I don't see what the problem was because Norway would have had a 3-5 split, which is fine within the rules. Finland and Lithuania would have both been 4-4 if you had England v Norway and Finland v Lithuania. Now Finland have gone 3-5 instead.

While working this out, I saw that Spain had three "black"s in a row earlier on; which I hitherto thought was not allowed... :?

I can't understand these pairings. Anyone spot what I've missed?
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Re: England teams for 2011 European Team Championship

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:22 pm

Jonathan Rogers wrote:remembering that we do have two teams :roll: England's women made probably their best result today in drawing with Greece, which involved wins against two WGMs on boards two and three.
Indeed. Congratulations to the England women team for a fine result there.

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