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Re: Chess Player Strip Searched

Post by Rob Thompson » Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:01 pm

I'm surprised his rating hasn't increased by more in all of this.
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Post by LawrenceCooper » Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:05 pm

That article seemed to follow very soon after the following facebook post:

Romain Edouard
got the beautiful surprise to see FM Borislav Ivanov registered in the next event I will play.

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Post by Mick Norris » Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:15 pm

http://www.ksu.dk/politiken_cup/default.aspx?la=en

I can't see him on the official list yet
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Post by Chris Rice » Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:17 am

Hmm I wonder whether he entered and once the organisers realised who he was they took him off the list? The Susan Polgar site mentioned by Sean appears to be the only source of the story and perhaps she set up a Google alert or something similar as there are no other details. The link that she gives is to the chess results server http://chess-results.com/tnr81987.aspx He's not on there but one must assume he was at some point. Mick's link to the official site also confirms he's certainly not on the list now so perhaps he's been "managed away". What a shame I was looking forward to that as journalist Tim Spanton is playing by the looks of it and might have got more details for this ongoing saga.

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Post by Richard Bates » Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:35 am

Chris Rice wrote:Hmm I wonder whether he entered and once the organisers realised who he was they took him off the list? The Susan Polgar site mentioned by Sean appears to be the only source of the story and perhaps she set up a Google alert or something similar as there are no other details. The link that she gives is to the chess results server http://chess-results.com/tnr81987.aspx He's not on there but one must assume he was at some point.
Yep he was definitely on there when i followed the link late last night.

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Post by LawrenceCooper » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:12 am

LawrenceCooper wrote:
That article seemed to follow very soon after the following facebook post:

Romain Edouard
got the beautiful surprise to see FM Borislav Ivanov registered in the next event I will play.
A comment was also made that he should play Mr Feller to see who has the most powerful engine :roll:

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Post by Paolo Casaschi » Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:32 am

Chris Rice wrote:Hmm I wonder whether he entered and once the organisers realised who he was they took him off the list? The Susan Polgar site mentioned by Sean appears to be the only source of the story and perhaps she set up a Google alert or something similar as there are no other details. The link that she gives is to the chess results server http://chess-results.com/tnr81987.aspx He's not on there but one must assume he was at some point. Mick's link to the official site also confirms he's certainly not on the list now so perhaps he's been "managed away". What a shame I was looking forward to that as journalist Tim Spanton is playing by the looks of it and might have got more details for this ongoing saga.
It might be just a joke, I suspect you can enter any name into the online entry form... like when at university someone enters for an exam the name of a famous person just for the fun of listening to the teacher calling for him...

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Re: Chess Player Strip Searched

Post by Mick Norris » Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:04 pm

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Post by Roger de Coverly » Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:18 pm

Mick Norris wrote: Interesting
He makes some valid points about existing parallels, mentioning browsing the bookstall during play, speaking to other players or spectators and asking the match captain for permission to offer a draw when the captain is aware of the current position on the board.

Browsing the bookstall and consulting other players during play are already against the Laws of Chess.

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Post by Paolo Casaschi » Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:31 pm

He definitely has a point asking why certain forms of cheating (such as pre-arranged draws) have been tolerated for so long and hoping that those wont be forgotten in the upcoming anti-cheating rules.

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Post by Matt Mackenzie » Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:11 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Mick Norris wrote: Interesting
He makes some valid points about existing parallels, mentioning browsing the bookstall during play, speaking to other players or spectators and asking the match captain for permission to offer a draw when the captain is aware of the current position on the board.

Browsing the bookstall and consulting other players during play are already against the Laws of Chess.
Isn't the team captain allowed to inform a player that (eg) a draw would be enough to win the match? I always thought that they were :?:

Re the point by Paolo, I suppose the simple answer is that some forms of "cheating" are looked on more harshly than others - as one might expect, perhaps?
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Re: Chess Player Strip Searched

Post by Roger de Coverly » Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:23 pm

Matt Mackenzie wrote: Isn't the team captain allowed to inform a player that (eg) a draw would be enough to win the match? I always thought that they were
That's allowed. The example he gave was where a player asked for permission to seek a draw where he had a choice of continuations, one was to take a repetition and the other was to play a speculative sacrifice. The implication was that the player was asking for advice on the position from the captain.

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Re: Chess Player Strip Searched

Post by Mick Norris » Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:48 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote: The example he gave was where a player asked for permission to seek a draw where he had a choice of continuations, one was to take a repetition and the other was to play a speculative sacrifice. The implication was that the player was asking for advice on the position from the captain.
Who was the player?
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Re: Chess Player Strip Searched

Post by Roger de Coverly » Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:59 pm

Mick Norris wrote: Who was the player?
This is what Macieja wrote
chessvibes wrote:During the Azerbaijan-Poland match at the last Olympiad, before making a move, my opponent asked his captain whether to offer a draw. It was before his 26th move. It was round 9, so everybody knew that the rules of the Olympiad didn't even allow a draw offer before move 30.
"Coincidentally" my opponent had two possibilities: to keep playing an unclear balanced position or to sacrifice a rook and finish a game with a perpetual check instantly.
In my opinion it was an obvious attempt of cheating (Problem 3: The use of the third party help during a game).
The match details
http://www.olimpbase.org/2012/2012fa09.html#aze

There's an obvious problem of interpreting these actions as asking a match captain whether you need to play for a win is presumably legitimate.

It was the sacrifice that lead to the instant draw and the game just continued otherwise.

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