World Teams 2019

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Re: World Teams 2019

Post by Mick Norris » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:19 pm

Great result

Russia 16
England 13
China 12
India, USA 11

Women's
China a perfect 18
Russia 14
12 - Georgia take bronze from Ukraine
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Re: World Teams 2019

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:22 pm

Excellent result. Congratulations to the England team.

Couple of questions to ponder:

Was there ever a chance we might have won the event, or were Russia always going to win it?
Where does this result rank compared to previous results in this and similar team events?

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Re: World Teams 2019

Post by David Brock » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:41 pm

Well done England a Great Result -Played very Well and only blip on the card was the loss to China. However they outgraded us on every board so was not unexpected. If Mickey had been on form we may have even won it.
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Re: World Teams 2019

Post by JustinHorton » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:48 pm

Somebody's always out of form though. (In this context I often think of the 2005 Ashes series which England won even though a number of their players barely turned up.)
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Re: World Teams 2019

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:50 pm

That is an impressive Russian achievement, especially given their tendency to "under-perform" in team events recently.
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Re: World Teams 2019

Post by NickFaulks » Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:07 pm

JustinHorton wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:48 pm
Somebody's always out of form though.
For me, the single most encouraging element of a sensational performance is that it was achieved with the top board below his best. The rest of the team have all done well individually before, but have previously seemed able to perform well as a team only with Mickey leading from the front.

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Re: World Teams 2019

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:17 pm

Just worked out that if England had nicked a minimum win against Russia, and drawn 2-2 against China, we would have tied with Russia on match points, but Russia would have still won by a half a game point.

On individual performances, Luke, David and Gawain all on +3, Mickey on -2, and Jon (Speelman) on -1 (playing when Gawain was ill, I believe). Does anyone know if there are board medals for this event or not?

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Re: World Teams 2019

Post by Matt Fletcher » Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:49 pm

Tweet from Malcolm Pein suggests there are:

https://twitter.com/telegraphchess/stat ... 87168?s=21

McShane board 2 Gold
Howell board 3 Bronze
Jones board 4 Silver

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Re: World Teams 2019

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:54 pm

Thanks. Some other tweets:

https://twitter.com/TelegraphChess/stat ... 2508887041
https://twitter.com/DavidHowellGM/statu ... 7592028160
https://twitter.com/chess24com/status/1 ... 5419504641
https://twitter.com/johnchess/status/11 ... 8111870981
https://twitter.com/MarkTWIC/status/1106154970200621057
Mark Crowther at TWIC on Twitter wrote:"England's best ever result in the World Teams, we had a couple of Bronze Medals in the 1980s. Ranks alongside our very best team results - a win in the European Teams in 1997 and our three silver medals and a bronze run 1984-90 in the Olympiad."
I would also put the 2018 Olympiad fifth place that qualified England for this event up there as well, even though there was no medal that time. It is clear that the team is progressing and improving results from event to event.

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Re: World Teams 2019

Post by NickFaulks » Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:08 pm

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:54 pm
I would also put the 2018 Olympiad fifth place that qualified England for this event up there as well, even though there was no medal that time.
Absolutely not. On that occasion the team as a whole performed as per their ratings and were catapulted upwards by the Swiss pairing system. Good, but not special. This one is the real thing.

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Re: World Teams 2019

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:11 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:08 pm
Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:54 pm
I would also put the 2018 Olympiad fifth place that qualified England for this event up there as well, even though there was no medal that time.
Absolutely not. On that occasion the team as a whole performed as per their ratings and were catapulted upwards by the Swiss pairing system. Good, but not special. This one is the real thing.
OK, maybe not. Good to have a debate going though! :D

I was sure there was another fairly good team result somewhere between 1997 and now.

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Re: World Teams 2019

Post by Mick Norris » Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:30 pm

Nice to be arguing about successful results rather than being depressed about the team getting older

Presumably, the team's improved performances have nothing to do with the absence of Nigel?
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Re: World Teams 2019

Post by Thomas Rendle » Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:35 pm

Probably mostly to do with all the players being close to 2700 (rather than 2650) in the past. On live ratings Luke is England #5 at 2683 (World #57) and that's clearly a very healthy state of affairs.

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Re: World Teams 2019

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:41 pm

Nigel's absence certainly made the team younger! :D

(Did Speelman set any sort of record for age when representing England, at least in the modern era?)

Was the team sponsored and did that help (i.e. would going have been impossible without sponsorship, and how much did the ECF fund it)?

What are the plans for the future?

[The next big team events are the European Team Chess Championship 2019 in Batumi in October, and the Olympiad in Khanty-Mansiysk in 2020. I think it is only the World Teams that England have to qualify for, and the others are normal Opens with England's presence depending on sponsorship/funding.]

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Re: World Teams 2019

Post by Alex Holowczak » Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:06 pm

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:41 pm
Was the team sponsored and did that help (i.e. would going have been impossible without sponsorship, and how much did the ECF fund it)?
Yes, it was funded; see this thread: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=10079

There was no ECF money for this event at all really; see the budget for the last Council meeting which only budgeted for the Olympiad. Without the funding, the team would not have gone. A month before the tournament, we had no money and no players; finishing 2nd is really an amazing result.

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