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Re: Should the ECF have accepted sponsorship from the Scheinbergs for the World Team Championships 2019?
Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:38 pm
by David Robertson
Nick Grey wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:35 pm
ECF ought to agree sponsorship with anyone
I trust you are nowhere near membership of the Governance Committee.
Your position is not merely "morally dubious", as if it were solely a matter of differing ethical judgements. It would in certain circumstances invite ECF to enter unlawful transactions. I have in mind breaches of Anti-Money-Laundering legislation and similar regulations which require organisations to secure the provenance and legal integrity of monies they receive.
I'd have thought the Scheinberg sponsorship would merit at least some pause for thought, including a view from the Governance Committee
Re: Should the ECF have accepted sponsorship from the Scheinbergs for the World Team Championships 2019?
Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:25 pm
by Nick Grey
Let the Governance Committee deal with it. And the ECF.
I voted YES. Are there any other sponsorships out there for the England Chess Team?
Re: Should the ECF have accepted sponsorship from the Scheinbergs for the World Team Championships 2019?
Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:40 pm
by NickFaulks
David Robertson wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:38 pm
I'd have thought the Scheinberg sponsorship would merit at least some pause for thought, including a view from the Governance Committee
Perhaps that would be a wise precaution, but I don't expect that they would take very long to form a view. Unlike Kirsan's case, where the US Treasury was clearly politically motivated to be as vindictive as possible, I doubt that the IRS is minded to take action against any recipient of largesse from one of their targets.
Re: Should the ECF have accepted sponsorship from the Scheinbergs for the World Team Championships 2019?
Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:47 pm
by David Robertson
NickFaulks wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:40 pm
David Robertson wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:38 pm
I'd have thought the Scheinberg sponsorship would merit at least some pause for thought, including a view from the Governance Committee
I don't expect that they would take very long to form a view
I fear you're right. But it depends how much due diligence they're willing to undertake. Given that some members of the Committee struggle to make headway into a light breeze, I'm not optimistic here either
Re: Should the ECF have accepted sponsorship from the Scheinbergs for the World Team Championships 2019?
Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:52 pm
by Roger de Coverly
NickFaulks wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:40 pm
I doubt that the IRS is minded to take action against any recipient of largesse from one of their targets.
There's the evidence of the Isle of Man tournament
Re: Should the ECF have accepted sponsorship from the Scheinbergs for the World Team Championships 2019?
Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:55 pm
by Stewart Reuben
Nick Grey >ECF ought to agree sponsorship with anyone.<
The BCF decided NOT to accept, or seek, sponsorship from cigarettes companies. I thought it better to have the debate BEFORE any specific offer was made.
Re: Should the ECF have accepted sponsorship from the Scheinbergs for the World Team Championships 2019?
Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:09 am
by Kevin Thurlow
It is a difficult one - how do you decide which alleged offences are serious enough to not want their money?
Suppose a rich woman offers lots of money for a tournament, but she is being pursued by a country for allegedly not wearing a head covering, or for driving a car?
Suppose someone is accused of assault, but is cleared by the investigating committee, shortly after the accused's company produces very significant sponsorship for a national event?
In the West, you would perhaps find it reasonable to take the money in the first case, but not the second?
Re: Should the ECF have accepted sponsorship from the Scheinbergs for the World Team Championships 2019?
Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:49 pm
by Jonathan Bryant
David Robertson wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:38 pm
Nick Grey wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:35 pm
ECF ought to agree sponsorship with anyone
I trust you are nowhere near membership of the Governance Committee.
I wonder if “accept money from anyone” would include taking sponsorship from the software company that publishes “Diana Crash Simulator”.
As Streatham Rovers FC have just done.
https://twitter.com/streathamrovers/sta ... 91552?s=21
Correction: It’s “Diana Crash Simulator 2”.
https://twitter.com/streathamrovers/sta ... 26880?s=21
Re: Should the ECF have accepted sponsorship from the Scheinbergs for the World Team Championships 2019?
Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:02 pm
by Christopher Kreuzer
Jonathan Bryant wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:49 pm
David Robertson wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:38 pm
Nick Grey wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:35 pm
ECF ought to agree sponsorship with anyone
I trust you are nowhere near membership of the Governance Committee.
I wonder if “accept money from anyone” would include taking sponsorship from the software company that publishes “Diana Crash Simulator”.
As Streatham Rovers FC have just done.
https://twitter.com/streathamrovers/sta ... 91552?s=21
That is a parody account:
https://museumofjerseys.com/2016/10/10/ ... am-rovers/
The 'football club' is a parody at least. The computer game probably is as well.
Re: Should the ECF have accepted sponsorship from the Scheinbergs for the World Team Championships 2019?
Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:12 pm
by Kevin Thurlow
It does seem to be a parody, but these guys may offer sponsorship...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... ale-russia
Re: Should the ECF have accepted sponsorship from the Scheinbergs for the World Team Championships 2019?
Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:14 pm
by Jonathan Bryant
Real team. The ground is 10 minutes walk from my home
Re: Should the ECF have accepted sponsorship from the Scheinbergs for the World Team Championships 2019?
Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:48 pm
by Jonathan Bryant
And why - if we are taking money from anybody - wouldn’t we snap off their hands?
Or, are we saying that there is a limit - be it DCS2 or novichok - and we make a judgement as to where the line is drawn.
Re: Should the ECF have accepted sponsorship from the Scheinbergs for the World Team Championships 2019?
Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:10 pm
by Christopher Kreuzer
Jonathan Bryant wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:14 pm
Real team. The ground is 10 minutes walk from my home
https://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/es ... 78206.html
At least one supporter hung up his scarf in protest. He now runs a satirical social media account in support of a fictional team to highlight the hypocrisy he finds in a deal between an estate agent and a community club. His Streatham Rovers FC is sponsored by the equally fictional firm, Herod Eviction Services.
https://medium.com/@britpopdan/i-know-i ... 6481c8dfc4
https://indulwich.co.uk/index.php/readi ... enary-year
https://thefootballpink.com/posts/2018/ ... ll-swindle
Re: Should the ECF have accepted sponsorship from the Scheinbergs for the World Team Championships 2019?
Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:37 pm
by Angus French
Definitely a real club, Chris. Don't listen to the detractors from Dynamo Catford FC.
Re: Should the ECF have accepted sponsorship from the Scheinbergs for the World Team Championships 2019?
Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:01 pm
by Kevin Thurlow
"Or, are we saying that there is a limit - be it DCS2 or novichok - and we make a judgement as to where the line is drawn."
I agree - I was trying to make that point on the Sunday AM post.
Sponsorship from tobacco companies in some sports was decided to be evil, but acceptable if they had small logos!