FIDE Grand Swiss Tournament 2019 - Isle of Man

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Re: FIDE Grand Swiss Tournament 2019 - Isle of Man

Post by LawrenceCooper » Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:01 am

Tim Harding wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 10:04 pm
LawrenceCooper wrote:
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Tim Harding wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:56 pm

A win for Naka tomorrow and a draw on Monday should clinch it even if Caruana wins the tournament.
Or am I missing something?
Two wins for Anton might be a problem for him (however unlikely that is).
That doesn't actually contradict what I wrote because if Anton and Hikaru win in round 10 they will meet in round 11.
It's true that if Anton then beat him he would become the qualifier.
Presumably there are some circumstances where 1.5 (or perhaps even 1 point) out of 2 might be sufficient for Nakamura, Anton or Aronian, but I am not attempting to calculate them.
That's why I deleted the posts seconds after submitting it, clearly not quickly enough to prevent you from jumping in :)

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Re: FIDE Grand Swiss Tournament 2019 - Isle of Man

Post by JustinHorton » Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:05 am

I wonder if Howell v Grischuk might be the game to watch today (give or take Nakamura v Aronian). It's probably not realistic to expect that everybody on 6 will take risks to try and get themselves in with a chance on Monday, but Grischuk may well be one of them, no?
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Re: FIDE Grand Swiss Tournament 2019 - Isle of Man

Post by Mick Norris » Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:22 am

Grischuk and Howell will presumably both be in time trouble so they should have a good idea of how the other games are going

8 points might qualify if Caruana wins the tournament
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Re: FIDE Grand Swiss Tournament 2019 - Isle of Man

Post by LawrenceCooper » Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:24 am

JustinHorton wrote:
Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:05 am
I wonder if Howell v Grischuk might be the game to watch today (give or take Nakamura v Aronian). It's probably not realistic to expect that everybody on 6 will take risks to try and get themselves in with a chance on Monday, but Grischuk may well be one of them, no?
It certainly looks like the board with most chance of a result, I don't think it will be just Grischuk prepared to take risks in the game though. Elsewhere rating advantage suggests that white will be pressing on 1,3 5, 7 and 8 but board 4 looks most likely to end peacefully. Board 2 may depend on how ambitious Naka is.

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Re: FIDE Grand Swiss Tournament 2019 - Isle of Man

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:51 am

Can anyone point to a reminder of the tiebreak calculations (it was somewhere in this thread) and if there is anywhere calcuating this (e.g. is the Chess Results tiebreaks (TB1, TB2, TB3, TB4) the correct calculation or not)? I am never sure if the Chess Results tiebreaks are official ones or ones that are generated automatically.

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Re: FIDE Grand Swiss Tournament 2019 - Isle of Man

Post by Mick Norris » Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:09 pm

5. 8. 2. Tie-breaks
If the top two (2) or more players score the same points, the tie is to be decided by the following criteria, in order of priority:
a) Average Rating of Opponents Cut 1 (AROC 1)*
b) Buchholz Cut 1;
c) Buchholz;
d) Direct encounter between the players in tie;
e) Drawing of lots.
* All forfeits and byes will be cut from the calculation of AROC 1. If a player has one or more forfeits or byes, then no additional
results will be cut from the calculation of AROC 1.
All tie-breaks will be calculated as described in C.02.13 of the FIDE Handbook
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Re: FIDE Grand Swiss Tournament 2019 - Isle of Man

Post by JustinHorton » Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:01 pm

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:51 am
Can anyone point to a reminder of the tiebreak calculations (it was somewhere in this thread) and if there is anywhere calcuating this (e.g. is the Chess Results tiebreaks (TB1, TB2, TB3, TB4) the correct calculation or not)? I am never sure if the Chess Results tiebreaks are official ones or ones that are generated automatically.
Pretty sure TB1 is what we want
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Re: FIDE Grand Swiss Tournament 2019 - Isle of Man

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:26 pm

Worth noting (taken from the Chessbase report on round 9) that:

"Vincent Keymer, Jonas Buhl Bjerre and Raunak Sadhwani completed their third and final grandmaster norms"

Impressive achiving that here - all three played GMs in all 9 rounds (and again in round 10). Keymer did it with 4/9 - how is that possible - I thought there was a need to be over 50% or did I just make that up? Bjerre on 4.5/9 and Sadhwani on 5/9. They are all young as well, aged 14-16 I think. Wonder how many other norms may be possible?

I think Carlsen playing Matlakov in round 10 is where he can tie Ding's record, and a possible encounter with Nakamura in round 11 might be tasty!
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Re: FIDE Grand Swiss Tournament 2019 - Isle of Man

Post by NickFaulks » Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:29 pm

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
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I thought there was a need to be over 50% or did I just make that up?
There is a minimum requirement, but it is 35%.
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Re: FIDE Grand Swiss Tournament 2019 - Isle of Man

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:32 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:29 pm
Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
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I thought there was a need to be over 50% or did I just make that up?
There is a minimum requirement, but it is 35%.
Thanks. Maybe I was remembering 50% from somewhere else in the Handbook and Regulations.

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Re: FIDE Grand Swiss Tournament 2019 - Isle of Man

Post by David Robertson » Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:14 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
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There is a minimum requirement, but it is 35%
Thank God for that! I'd never manage 40%

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Re: FIDE Grand Swiss Tournament 2019 - Isle of Man

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:46 pm

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:26 pm
I think Carlsen playing Matlakov in round 10 is where he can tie Ding's record, and a possible encounter with Nakamura in round 11 might be tasty!
Well, given the champ's past record in their encounters that all points to one thing. Yes, a "shock" win for Naka :)
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Re: FIDE Grand Swiss Tournament 2019 - Isle of Man

Post by Tim Harding » Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:45 pm

Matt Mackenzie wrote:
Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:46 pm
Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:26 pm
I think Carlsen playing Matlakov in round 10 is where he can tie Ding's record, and a possible encounter with Nakamura in round 11 might be tasty!
Well, given the champ's past record in their encounters that all points to one thing. Yes, a "shock" win for Naka :)
Cannot happen, I think. Unless Hikaru loses today (and a draw looks probable at move 25), he is nailed on to play either Caruana or Anton depending on their result.
Carlsen's last round opponent is most likely to be Aronian, Anton or one of the players on 6 whom he hasn't yet met.
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Re: FIDE Grand Swiss Tournament 2019 - Isle of Man

Post by NickFaulks » Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:23 pm

Looks like Matlakov will lose.
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Re: FIDE Grand Swiss Tournament 2019 - Isle of Man

Post by Richard Bates » Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:43 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:23 pm
Looks like Matlakov will lose.
Does it?

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