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Re: Candidates Tournament 2020

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:25 pm

David Sedgwick wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:08 am
Ian Rogers on Twitter:

"The Dubai 2020 Expo is to be delayed for one year, meaning the venue for the 2020 World Chess Championship match is gone. But perhaps this simply provides an extra year for the challenger to World Champion Magnus Carlsen to be found."
Or maybe another venue could be arranged?

I don't think FIDE will want the WC timetable to slip into 2021 if they can possibly avoid it (of course, it may turn out to be force majeure)
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Re: Candidates Tournament 2020

Post by Paul Cooksey » Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:29 pm

Matt Mackenzie wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:25 pm
I don't think FIDE will want the WC timetable to slip into 2021 if they can possibly avoid it (of course, it may turn out to be force majeure)
That seems fair. I have to admit until I read the Colovic blog, I had not realised there was a real possibility that if we run out of time to complete the candidates, MVL gets a WC match this year.

I imagine there at least some in FIDE who would want to go ahead with the WC, rather than risk losing sponsorship.

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Re: Candidates Tournament 2020

Post by JustinHorton » Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:55 pm

I was wondering if Nepo's selection of the Winawer might prove to be a decisive mistake, but I didn't realise it might be that decisive.
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Re: Candidates Tournament 2020

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:05 pm

Hmm. Wonder what Magnus Carlsen thinks of this (though right now, the chess world is grieving)? Would Carlsen prefer to face MVL or have the conclusion of this cycle delayed? Of course, the incumbent shouldn't have any influence, but as we have seen before their views can count for a lot.

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Re: Candidates Tournament 2020

Post by NickFaulks » Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:38 pm

Paul Cooksey wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:29 pm
I have to admit until I read the Colovic blog, I had not realised there was a real possibility that if we run out of time to complete the candidates, MVL gets a WC match this year.
Where is this blog? I have to say that MVL simply being declared the winner seems highly unlikely to me.

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Re: Candidates Tournament 2020

Post by Ian Thompson » Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:02 am

NickFaulks wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:38 pm
Paul Cooksey wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:29 pm
I have to admit until I read the Colovic blog, I had not realised there was a real possibility that if we run out of time to complete the candidates, MVL gets a WC match this year.
Where is this blog? I have to say that MVL simply being declared the winner seems highly unlikely to me.
https://www.alexcolovic.com/

He says "If it’s impossible to resume, due to the world situation or any other reason, they can still proclaim a winner from these 7 rounds (Vachier) and the match is on. Of course, there will be outrage, but legally everything will be right: the tournament results are valid as long as 50% of the games have been played."

There's no reference to rules or regulations that also say this. I wonder if he's trying to apply the rule which says the results of a player who fails to play all their games in a tournament count towards the final tournament standings if they've played at least 50% of their games, which is hardly the same thing.

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Re: Candidates Tournament 2020

Post by NickFaulks » Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:40 am

Ian Thompson wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:02 am
which is hardly the same thing.
Too right it isn't!

Thanks for the link. I doubt that GM Colovic's suggestion will be treated as serious.

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Re: Candidates Tournament 2020

Post by Mick Norris » Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:39 pm

The original regulations have
4. 5. 3. If a player withdraws after completing 50% or more of the games, the rest of his games are lost by default. In case a player
completes less than 50%, all his results are annulled.
which may be thought relevant until you read the next bit
4. 5. 4. No postponement of any game is allowed.
which obviously hasn't happened, as they have been postponed

There's no obvious reason to think that MVL can be declared a winner at "half-time", or indeed that the WC match has to take place later this year, rather than next year after the second half of the Candidates is played
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Re: Candidates Tournament 2020

Post by NickFaulks » Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:50 pm

Mick Norris wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:39 pm
There's no obvious reason to think that MVL can be declared a winner at "half-time", or indeed that the WC match has to take place later this year
There is a very obvious reason to think the latter.

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Re: Candidates Tournament 2020

Post by Leonard Barden » Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:17 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:50 pm
Mick Norris wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:39 pm
There's no obvious reason to think that MVL can be declared a winner at "half-time", or indeed that the WC match has to take place later this year
There is a very obvious reason to think the latter.
My understanding is similar to Ian Rogers above, that Fide wants the match to be part of Expo Dubai and that therefore a postponement to 2021 is very likely.

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Re: Candidates Tournament 2020

Post by Mick Norris » Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:11 am

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Re: Candidates Tournament 2020

Post by Paul Cooksey » Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:34 pm

Leonard Barden wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:17 pm
My understanding is similar to Ian Rogers above, that Fide wants the match to be part of Expo Dubai and that therefore a postponement to 2021 is very likely.
I was interested in Leonard's view that Dvorkovich could have exerted his influence to complete the event. But I am rather glad he did not: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/ ... chess-boom

I think Alex and Ian making different points. Alex's implication is that the schedule for the WC is more important in speculating what happens next than what is best for the candidates. Of course if Ian and other well informed people are right and the WC moves to 2021, less time pressure to find a challenger.

It does seem unlikely Radjabov will get anything other than monetary compensation. Possibly after FIDE have wasted some money on lawyers, that is the usual way of things. As Nick noted, Radjabov is considered independently wealthy, and his father in law is a senior oil executive. So he probably needs the money less than most chess players. Possibly some irony if that fact also made it easier for him to decide to withdraw than it would be for another player..

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Re: Candidates Tournament 2020

Post by JustinHorton » Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:11 pm

Paul Cooksey wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:34 pm
. As Nick noted, Radjabov is considered independently wealthy, and his father in law is a senior oil executive. So he probably needs the money less than most chess players.
Though, ah, it might make it easier for him to hire expensive lawyers.
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Re: Candidates Tournament 2020

Post by Mick Norris » Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:04 pm

JustinHorton wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:11 pm
Paul Cooksey wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:34 pm
. As Nick noted, Radjabov is considered independently wealthy, and his father in law is a senior oil executive. So he probably needs the money less than most chess players.
Though, ah, it might make it easier for him to hire expensive lawyers.
Yes, and he's a lawyer himself, so he'll know where to find them
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Re: Candidates Tournament 2020

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:06 pm

I'm not sure how Radjabov can sue anybody when he withdrew? Nobody kicked him out. But the law is strange sometimes.

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