Tata Steel 10th-28th Jan 2020

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Re: Tata Steel 10th-28th Jan 2020

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:09 pm

Still no Black wins - Giri also set to win with White in the last unfinished game - or, of course, Carlsen wins.

(still, he's now at 111 even with the two "local" games taken out)
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Post by JustinHorton » Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:01 pm

However it seems like a Black win is imininent as Van Foreest is trouncing Vitiugov. I've not been following but White seems to have simply overlooked a sinple pawn loss at move ten.
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Post by JustinHorton » Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:13 pm

....though Van Foreest, in no sort of time trouble, has just given Vitiugov a piece back....
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Post by JustinHorton » Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:29 pm

...and so Black is now playing with bishop and six pawns against bishop and a pawn.
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Post by Tim Harding » Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:56 pm

Carlsen's unbeaten streak is in danger against Vishy...

Or not any more. Engine wanted to play it differently.
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Re: Tata Steel 10th-28th Jan 2020

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:05 pm

JustinHorton wrote:
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...and so Black is now playing with bishop and six pawns against bishop and a pawn.
I think you mean two White bishops?
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Post by JustinHorton » Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:23 pm

Yes, sorry about that.
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Post by Mick Norris » Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:38 pm

Looking like the pawns will prevail
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Post by Daniel Gormally » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:26 pm

Maybe I've overreacting, but Fiouzja already looks a top five in the world player. maybe top three on current form. (top one?!) Maybe history will show us that Carlsen was just the first in the line of these super kids, who take chess to another level because of engines. And in fact Carlsen wasn't that special after all, just the first of his kind.

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Re: Tata Steel 10th-28th Jan 2020

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:04 pm

Daniel Gormally wrote:
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And in fact Carlsen wasn't that special after all, just the first of his kind.
That does seem maybe a *slight* overreaction, yeah :)
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Post by JustinHorton » Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:16 pm

And Caruana wins. I thought he should have played 79 Rxc2+, he'd still be winning.
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Re: Tata Steel 10th-28th Jan 2020

Post by David Robertson » Sun Jan 19, 2020 2:23 pm

van Foreest - Firouzja

Ludicrous, simply ludicrous! 100 years of carefully honed Najdorf theory, ignored. 500 years of basic chess principles, ignored. 6. Bd2 the other day was bad enough. But 6 Rg1 is an outrage. As for 11 Kd1, words fail me. What are we Naj players to do now?

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Post by Leonard Barden » Sun Jan 19, 2020 2:48 pm

David Robertson wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 2:23 pm
van Foreest - Firouzja

Ludicrous, simply ludicrous! 100 years of carefully honed Najdorf theory, ignored. 500 years of basic chess principles, ignored. 6. Bd2 the other day was bad enough. But 6 Rg1 is an outrage. As for 11 Kd1, words fail me. What are we Naj players to do now?
The TN, though not specially impressive, is actually 12...Be6 rather than 12... Bg4+ which shows two draws and a black win. After 23 moves White has a small edge but a draw is likely.

Vitiugov is mishandling his clock so I reckon Magnus will win that, setting up Firouzja v Carlsen in round 9 nicely for Tuesday (free day tomorrow) with the world champion a point behind the young pretender.

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Re: Tata Steel 10th-28th Jan 2020

Post by Roger de Coverly » Sun Jan 19, 2020 2:49 pm

David Robertson wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 2:23 pm
But 6 Rg1 is an outrage. As for 11 Kd1, words fail me. What are we Naj players to do now?
Someone, possibly Fischer, wrote that 5. .. a6 was a high class waiting move. Recent years have shown that it's so much of a waiting move that White can indulge in almost any flight of fantasy in reply.

6 Rg1 like some lines of 6 h3 is an attempt to throw the g pawn forwards and perhaps dislodge the f6 Knight. There are numerous lines in the Sicilian, the Keres Attack being but one example, featuring the charge of the g pawn. As to Kd1 it avoids losing the Queen to Nf3 check and keeps the Queen on d4 where it pins the Knight on e5 to the Rook on h8. It's probably an engine suggestion because in general a human player may not want to lose castling rights.

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Re: Tata Steel 10th-28th Jan 2020

Post by LawrenceCooper » Sun Jan 19, 2020 4:32 pm

David Robertson wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 2:23 pm
van Foreest - Firouzja

Ludicrous, simply ludicrous! 100 years of carefully honed Najdorf theory, ignored. 500 years of basic chess principles, ignored. 6. Bd2 the other day was bad enough. But 6 Rg1 is an outrage. As for 11 Kd1, words fail me. What are we Naj players to do now?
Agreed. 11 Ke2 was far more natural :wink:

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