European Team Chess Championship 2021

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Re: European Team Chess Championship 2021

Post by Paul Heaton » Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:34 am

Matt Mackenzie wrote:
Mon Nov 22, 2021 2:32 pm
And the player who according to some shouldn't have been in the England Women team anyway, got 0.5 as well (out of 5)

Bound to make some wonder if nobody better was available.
I think better in terms of strength is subjective. What should not be subjective is a requirement for:
a) citizenship or residency AND
b) ECF membership.

This player had neither, and even gave a recentish interview detailing her relationship to England/U.K. as visiting friends in London. A few years ago there was some controversy about Ingrid Lauterbach’s eligibility, but this is a completely different league.

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Re: European Team Chess Championship 2021

Post by A.Kluckova » Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:47 pm

"I'm not totally sure if I have understood you correctly but as a friend and past coach of Louise I certainly don't think it fair to say " she plays nowadays significantly below her abilities" This is one tournament where she has played on a very high board and understandably has found it difficult as would any other player of a comparable rating. She is a twice English women's champion and I expect her to remain an important part of the England team in the future, "form is temporary, class is permanent""

So sorry, you really have not understood me . Your interpretation is 180 grades opposite as it was meaned. We both agree, that although Luise plaid 0,5/6 on the board where average rating of opponents was +177 over her actual rating (so on the strongest board ) she was at this situation a right person on a right place. We know well her potential, her abilities to play a strong chess ( as example WIM norm from 2018 just 18 points under the WGM norm limit). Although nowadays she plays significantly under her maximum( not only at ETCC ) and her current rating says the same, her peak rating is 100 more . Everything was meant in a positive mode ,

On the other side a player 0,5/5 on the board 3 plaid her last rated games 15 years ago and this ETCC performance probably follows her abilities.Chess- results show 2 non Fide rated standard tournaments more , Czech Open 2006 with Rp 1487 and 6 rounds in NED 2012 with Rp 1989. That's all.

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Re: European Team Chess Championship 2021

Post by A.Kluckova » Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:55 pm

"I think better in terms of strength is subjective. What should not be subjective is a requirement for:
a) citizenship or residency AND
b) ECF membership."

From FIDE webside :

4196961 Emelianova, Maria ENG RUS Transfer .day 2020-02-25 Notification day 2020-02-18

From FIDE handbook :
Transfer Regulations & Rules of Eligibility for Players (valid from July 1, 2018 till November 30, 2020)


1.REGISTRATION UNDER A FEDERATION


1.1.A player may be registered under a Federation if he or she has citizenship, naturalization or residency in the country of that Federation.

It means, FIDE received the proofs of citizenship or residency or naturalization...

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Re: European Team Chess Championship 2021

Post by A.Kluckova » Thu Nov 25, 2021 5:01 pm

A.Kluckova wrote:
Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:55 pm
"I think better in terms of strength is subjective. What should not be subjective is a requirement for:
a) citizenship or residency AND
b) ECF membership."

From FIDE webside :

4196961 Emelianova, Maria ENG RUS Transfer .day 2020-02-25 Notification day 2020-02-18

From FIDE handbook :
Transfer Regulations & Rules of Eligibility for Players (valid from July 1, 2018 till November 30, 2020)


1.REGISTRATION UNDER A FEDERATION


1.1.A player may be registered under a Federation if he or she has citizenship, naturalization or residency in the country of that Federation.

It means, FIDE received the proofs of citizenship or residency or naturalization...

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Re: European Team Chess Championship 2021

Post by Paul Heaton » Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:10 pm

A.Kluckova wrote:
Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:55 pm
"From FIDE webside :

4196961 Emelianova, Maria ENG RUS Transfer .day 2020-02-25 Notification day 2020-02-18

From FIDE handbook :
Transfer Regulations & Rules of Eligibility for Players (valid from July 1, 2018 till November 30, 2020)


1.REGISTRATION UNDER A FEDERATION


1.1.A player may be registered under a Federation if he or she has citizenship, naturalization or residency in the country of that Federation.

It means, FIDE received the proofs of citizenship or residency or naturalization...
If you look further down Fide only absolutely require proof if you are trying to reduce the transfer fee.

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Re: European Team Chess Championship 2021

Post by A.Kluckova » Thu Nov 25, 2021 8:36 pm

Do you think this please?

1.residency 0-12 months
2.residency 13 and more months - reduced transfer fees

Residency 0 - 12 months still means residency . If you are resident 20 days, it means 0 months . Or am l wrong?

"The length of residency is the period of time prior to the notification date that the player resides in or became citizen of the country of the new Federation. In order to determine the length of residency, the dates of issue of the following documents can be taken into account"

You can not have 0 days residency for the registration under the federation...

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Re: European Team Chess Championship 2021

Post by A.Kluckova » Thu Nov 25, 2021 8:51 pm

Only residency, citizenship or naturalisation is accepted, so you need to have a proof minimum of one of these possibilities anyway.

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Re: European Team Chess Championship 2021

Post by A.Kluckova » Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:12 pm

https://ratings.fide.com/transfers.phtml

A list of transfers - choose a year of transfer only.
If you open any transferred player, you can see his,her citizenship. Some of them have more than one. If you have not citizenship of your new federation, you need to be a resident there, for the purpose of transfer. No other way.

By the way, you can see a new transfer from 12.11.2021 . Young strong WIM 2297 from China transferred to ENG, she is a resident only.
Another transfer from 16.6.2021. WFM 2172 from Poland transferred to ENG and she is also ENG citizen.
Both players are in ENG TOP 10.

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Re: European Team Chess Championship 2021

Post by Paul Heaton » Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:09 am

A.Kluckova wrote:
Thu Nov 25, 2021 8:36 pm
Do you think this please?

1.residency 0-12 months
2.residency 13 and more months - reduced transfer fees

Residency 0 - 12 months still means residency . If you are resident 20 days, it means 0 months . Or am l wrong?

"The length of residency is the period of time prior to the notification date that the player resides in or became citizen of the country of the new Federation. In order to determine the length of residency, the dates of issue of the following documents can be taken into account"

You can not have 0 days residency for the registration under the federation...
My strong assumption is FIDE asks for nothing more than a residential address, which of course you can just give a friend’s address. The ECF in team selection should be looking for a higher standard-a Home Office approved right to reside. The ex Chinese player you cite in your later post is a student at UCL so will unquestionably meet this threshold. Plus she is an ECF member!

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Re: European Team Chess Championship 2021

Post by NickFaulks » Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:19 am

Paul Heaton wrote:
Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:09 am
My strong assumption is FIDE asks for nothing more than a residential address, which of course you can just give a friend’s address.
You can strongly assume whatever you like. The reality is that FIDE's default position is to accept information provided by the national federation.
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Re: European Team Chess Championship 2021

Post by Mick Norris » Fri Nov 26, 2021 9:31 am

There are quite a few transfers from ENG to IOM in the list; any reason for this?
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Re: European Team Chess Championship 2021

Post by David Sedgwick » Fri Nov 26, 2021 10:41 am

Mick Norris wrote:
Fri Nov 26, 2021 9:31 am
There are quite a few transfers from ENG to IOM in the list; any reason for this?
Isle of Man was formerly treated as part of England. The Isle of Man Chess Association has now been admitted to FIDE as an Affiliated Organisation, which gives then equivalent status to a Federation for most practical purposes.

The "transfers" comprise local players who have taken advantage of IOM's new status.

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Re: European Team Chess Championship 2021

Post by Mick Norris » Fri Nov 26, 2021 10:57 am

Thanks David, I assumed it was something like that
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Re: European Team Chess Championship 2021

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:44 pm

David Sedgwick wrote:
Fri Nov 26, 2021 10:41 am
Mick Norris wrote:
Fri Nov 26, 2021 9:31 am
There are quite a few transfers from ENG to IOM in the list; any reason for this?
Isle of Man was formerly treated as part of England. The Isle of Man Chess Association has now been admitted to FIDE as an Affiliated Organisation, which gives then equivalent status to a Federation for most practical purposes.

The "transfers" comprise local players who have taken advantage of IOM's new status.
Does it mean they can play in Olympiads and other national team competitions?
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Re: European Team Chess Championship 2021

Post by Alistair Campbell » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:59 pm

Jonathan Rogers wrote:
Sat Nov 20, 2021 1:44 pm

I am curious to know how the massive age difference within the Scottish team is being maanged (curious, nothing other than that).
I'd like to think the rest of the team benefited from Freddy's relative maturity.... :D

Perhaps he had a parent there? I've no idea - I've found it difficult to find out anything about the event other than the game scores. I assume there will be a report in the next issue of Scottish Chess.

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