2024 Candidates qualification revised process

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Re: 2024 Candidates qualification revised process

Post by LawrenceCooper » Mon Dec 18, 2023 5:26 pm

Graham Borrowdale wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2023 5:19 pm
LawrenceCooper wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2023 3:23 pm
Alireza is playing a series of matches from 18th - 22nd December against Sergey Fedorchuk (2546), Andrei Shchekachev (2506) & Alexandre Dgebuadze (2439) so he may not be out of the equation.
It seems strange that one individual can arrange their own event (well, their backers can) in order to try to qualify for the world championship. I am trying to think of any other sport where that would be possible.
Hopefully the last few weeks will give a clear message to FIDE how ridiculous the current requirement is.

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Re: 2024 Candidates qualification revised process

Post by NickFaulks » Mon Dec 18, 2023 5:40 pm

Graham Borrowdale wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2023 5:19 pm
I am trying to think of any other sport where that would be possible.
Boxing?
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Re: 2024 Candidates qualification revised process

Post by NickFaulks » Mon Dec 18, 2023 5:44 pm

LawrenceCooper wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2023 5:26 pm
Hopefully the last few weeks will give a clear message to FIDE how ridiculous the current requirement is.
I always argued that the previous method of averaging ratings over twelve months was a statistical nonsense, but it would have avoided the current problems.
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Re: 2024 Candidates qualification revised process

Post by Nick Burrows » Mon Dec 18, 2023 5:54 pm

I would have a candidates candidates so it's decided over the chess board rather than splitting hairs over statistics.

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Re: 2024 Candidates qualification revised process

Post by Ian Thompson » Mon Dec 18, 2023 5:56 pm

Graham Borrowdale wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2023 5:19 pm
LawrenceCooper wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2023 3:23 pm
Alireza is playing a series of matches from 18th - 22nd December against Sergey Fedorchuk (2546), Andrei Shchekachev (2506) & Alexandre Dgebuadze (2439) so he may not be out of the equation.
It seems strange that one individual can arrange their own event (well, their backers can) in order to try to qualify for the world championship. I am trying to think of any other sport where that would be possible.
One can't help wondering if his opponents' play might be adversely affected by knowing what's good for them.

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Re: 2024 Candidates qualification revised process

Post by NickFaulks » Mon Dec 18, 2023 7:49 pm

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Re: 2024 Candidates qualification revised process

Post by Mick Norris » Mon Dec 18, 2023 8:03 pm

It's turning into a farce
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Re: 2024 Candidates qualification revised process

Post by LawrenceCooper » Mon Dec 18, 2023 8:16 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2023 7:49 pm
The plot thickens.

https://www.fide.com/news/2807
He is actually playing four matches, two against Fedorchuk (with two games in each), with the second one starting on the 23rd. https://ratings.fide.com/rated_tourname ... ountry=FRA (Chartres).

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Re: 2024 Candidates qualification revised process

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Mon Dec 18, 2023 10:41 pm

"The International Chess Federation is dedicated to addressing not just this specific case but also similar occurrences that may arise. Discussions will be held to explore potential amendments to the FIDE Rating Regulations, aiming to prevent such situations in the future.

FIDE reiterates its unwavering commitment to upholding fair play and ensuring equal opportunities for all chess players."

Have a sensible system in the first place, and you can avoid moaning about Alireza's cunning plan.

I'm not convinced that their last bit is entirely accurate either. In fairness, look at the Olympics, cricket, rugby union, Association football, horse racing, boxing, snooker, croquet... (drones on for several pages)

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Re: 2024 Candidates qualification revised process

Post by Graham Borrowdale » Tue Dec 19, 2023 1:03 am

NickFaulks wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2023 7:49 pm
The plot thickens.

https://www.fide.com/news/2807
So what exactly was the point of the GM super-tournament which suddenly sprang up in India and which is currently taking place?

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Re: 2024 Candidates qualification revised process

Post by LawrenceCooper » Tue Dec 19, 2023 7:35 am

Graham Borrowdale wrote:
Tue Dec 19, 2023 1:03 am
NickFaulks wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2023 7:49 pm
The plot thickens.

https://www.fide.com/news/2807
So what exactly was the point of the GM super-tournament which suddenly sprang up in India and which is currently taking place?
To give players an opportunity to gain FIDE circuit points and potentially qualify for the Candidates.

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Re: 2024 Candidates qualification revised process

Post by Graham Borrowdale » Tue Dec 19, 2023 9:57 am

LawrenceCooper wrote:
Tue Dec 19, 2023 7:35 am
Graham Borrowdale wrote:
Tue Dec 19, 2023 1:03 am
NickFaulks wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2023 7:49 pm
The plot thickens.

https://www.fide.com/news/2807
So what exactly was the point of the GM super-tournament which suddenly sprang up in India and which is currently taking place?

To give players an opportunity to gain FIDE circuit points and potentially qualify for the Candidates.
Sorry, my question was rhetorical, but it does seem very close to the Alireza situation, in that it sprang up at the last minute. Perhaps it’s because I can remember the Interzonals and Zonals, when it felt more transparent, and the only potential jiggery-pokery was who got the zonal places. I guess there is more at stake now, as the world championship is effectively vacant, and any one of the candidates would fancy their chances against Ding.

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Re: 2024 Candidates qualification revised process

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Tue Dec 19, 2023 12:06 pm

The super-tournament in India is similar (but different in strength) to the tournament that was arranged to allow Ding to qualify for the Candidates (has everyone forgotten that?). Arranging matches against veteran GMs of much lower strength is a different ball game altogether.

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Re: 2024 Candidates qualification revised process

Post by Mick Norris » Tue Dec 19, 2023 4:28 pm

TWIC
Elsewhere the Chennai Grand Masters has passed the half way point. India hasn't hosted so many round robins so this strong event is welcome. I'm not sure I feel the same about the three two game matches in Chartres that Alireza Firouzja is playing in an attempt to boost his rating enough to qualify for the Candidates by rating. This feels like a fiddle to me, as did Ding Liren's many events in China before the last Candidates, at least he had the excuse of Covid. I personally think Candidates qualification by rating has to go, or as someone suggested to me, maybe the top four playing for a final place would be a better idea.
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Re: 2024 Candidates qualification revised process

Post by LawrenceCooper » Tue Dec 19, 2023 6:01 pm

Alireza completed a 2-0 victory in his first match.